Hi guys

I am beginning to very tentatively plan my next trip to Europe. Thinking maybe October?

My basic plan is to fly into a yet to determined city for 3 days (more or less), then travel to Amsterdam, spend 3 days there, then fly home from Schiphol.

So my question to you – what other city should I visit

It should:
be interesting to visit in its own right
have a decent p4p scene
have relatively cheap and convenient transportation to Amsterdam
And as usual I am trying to do this within a reasonable budget

Currently I am considering Frankfurt or Prague

Frankfurt

Travel to Amsterdam – 4 hours by train for 39€ (just picked a random date a couple of months out to get an idea of costs)

Pros
Never been there (outside of transferring trains in middle of the night once)
Art Museum looks interesting
Hotels/RLD district are cheap

Cons
Other members have reported feeling unsafe in the RLD

Concerns
Once spent 3 days in Hamburg which may very well have been the low point of my European travels – does Frankfurt have a similar vibe as Hamburg?
Will the pretty little spinners I prefer be readily available? Are some of the girls up to at least Alkmaar standards?
Can I keep myself entertained (as a toutist) in the Frankfurt area for three days?


Prague

Travel to Amsterdam – EasyJet, Under 2 hours, from 580KC (about $30)

Pros
I have been there a couple times before and am reasonable comfortable in the city
Beautiful city
Much to do and see as a tourist
Hotels are cheap

Cons
I have been there before so really no new ground

Concerns
I have never done p4p here, and my understanding of it is a little sketchy and the language barrier might make it difficult to learn.
Do not like the idea of private houses or escorts – will venues like Show Park have enough decent selection to keep me entertained for 3 days? (I would likely be there over a weekend, so I am thinking that would help)


Any thoughts on these cities?

Any other suggested cities?

Frankfurt has limitations on sightseeing venues but can still be fun. By day, it is a business oriented city but evening opens to an inviting city. Many good restaurants, bars, and cafes. As for p4p activities, I would rather go to FKKs than RLD.

Prague vs. Frakfurt.....for me Frankfurt wins!!! I do enjoy Prague also.

Taz - thanks for the reply

Frankfurt and the FFK's
Are there any you would recommend that do not require a car rental (an expense and hassle I would like to avoid)?

Palace and Mainhattan are in Frankfurt and can be reached by U-Bahn. Oase is outside town but easily reachable by combination of S-Bahn and taxi.

I think Showpark in Prague would be fine for 3 days. There were plenty of women available when I was there. Two or three sessions is quite doable. I would also consider Sexy Sauna Club for 1 of your 3 days. You can get in for 1000 CZK and then the sessions are 1600 CZK/30 min vs. 1200 CZK/30 min at Showpark. A bit more expensive but it looked interesting.

I wasn't impressed with Frankfurt as a tourist destination but I will admit I didn't try very hard. I didn't look around much outside the train station area which is pretty seedy. Certainly nothing in town like Prague Castle. If you look for tourist things in Frankfurt, the number one thing listed is the money museum.

I had no trouble getting to FKK Oase by train/taxi. 20e for the train and 20e for the taxi. Next time, I would consider going farther out to FKK World but staying overnight around there. I enjoyed Palace but be prepared to spend serious money as the 50e session is hard to come by there. I heard FKK Mainhatten was more laid back but never checked it out myself.

Have you considered a combination of Brussels and Antwerp ? That's probably my next trip (with a side-trip to Cologne for a FKK visit). Amsterdam is easy to get to from there.

I'd love to hear more from people about Spain. Never been and I'm sure it has a scene there.

Cologne would be my choice.

The FKK Samya and the bordell Traum Paradies are easily reached by public transport.

Hotel prices are reasonable unless there is a convention in town.

Easy transport to Amsterdam via German Rail and you can buy discounted tickets.
Check out German Rail www.bahn.de and book 92 days from your intended departure
for the best prices and most options.

If you are intent on visiting a Frankfurt FKK, the fast (300 kph) ICE trains can go from the
Cologne Hbf to the Frankfurt Hbf in about one hour.

I agree on the fact that Prague has a lot more to offer for tourists and it is a very beautiful city. However Prague is a city that everyone should see once but I do not see it as a destination to go back to over and over again. Today I enjoy Frankfurt much more and it is a city that I want to go back to many time.

The Palace should be enough for anyone!
For a pleasant non-mongering afternoon try the Romer/Dom area. Lots of resturants and free concerts weather permitting.
Ted

Thanks for the replies – all very helpful

At this point I have eliminated Prague from consideration
As makelove posted

I was already leaning this way, and that just solidified it.

Frankfurt
For the most part I prefer window girls for my P4P adventures. So I am planning on dedicating a couple nights to the Frankfurt red light districts . However I would like to visit a FKK one evening. Which leads me to my next dilemma.
Palace and Mainhatten – both are easily reached by Frankfurt mass transit.
However both are more expensive than I am used to (and do not include beer in the entry fee, on top of that). And according to reports the girls can be very aggressive and often want €100 for what would be included (kissing & bbbj) in the basic session elsewhere.
FKK Samya sounds much more my speed (thanks for the suggestion teleport123) but it is located in Cologne. Which is really not out of my way when traveling between Frankfurt and Amsterdam.

So at this point I am considering

Three nights in Frankfurt – two for the window girls and one at a local FKK. Then Amsterdam for three nights.

Or

Two nights in Frankfurt visiting the windows, one night spent at FKK Samya in Cologne. Then Amsterdam for three nights.

Any thoughts

Brad

Don't waste your time in the Frankfurt RLD

Go To Oase..use public transport

It's easy


I will be at Oase on May 10 and May 16

May 11-16, I will be in Amsterdam

There will be a couple others with me

May 14 will be our trip to Golden Time ( at least 5 of us as of now )

You're certainly welcome to join

You know where to find me

Best Regards

Smuler

Smuler - Thanks for the invitation
I would truely love to join you! But it appears a trip is not in the cards for me until later in the year
Enjoy yourself and say hi to Joy at GT for me.

Did some more research and Oase does look like a clear winner

And Palace will be my plan B in case the windows do not keep my interest.

thanks again

Hello all,

Never been to Prague and FKKs are not my scene as some of you know already. If you're looking for window style prostitution (they stand at doors, lol) then imho you don't get any better than Frankfurt. Sure, the area is run down and you have junkies, alcoholics, pimps and street walkers around but if you can ignore them and get on with mongering you'll have a great mongering experience, bar the oodles of stairs ffs. The stairs truly are a killer and it doesn't matter how fit someone is.

Bare in mind i've only been to Frankfurt once on the recommendation of Fannyrat and i loved every minute. However, i was there 5 days so know the scene pretty well from that visit. I'm a lover of Latino milfs and Frankfurt is the best bar none for this type of lady. Venezuelans, Brazilians, Colombians, even a beautiful milf from Argentina and one from Spain. These women are hot, hot, hot. Not tired washed up milfs like i've seen elsewhere. These are prime pussy. 30s, 40s and a few in their 50s. If it's like it was when i went all year round then you won't be disappointed.

It's not just Latinas. There are plenty younger Eastern Europeans, black girls and more milfs. I've never seen a place like it for milfage appreciation. The bonus thing about Frankfurt is that you have a second smaller rld at Breite Gasse. This again houses lots of different milfs and there was even an 80 yr old dressed in all the garb!!!! You have some ee's, european milfs, latino milfs. Certainly worth a visit and you can take it Zeil on your walk from the main rld. Frankfurt impressed me so much i am again going in March. This time i plan to take in more of the city such as Sachsenhausen for some beers and Bratwursts (my city of Birmingham has the Frankfurt Christmas market every year and it's fantastic, i'm guessing this will be situated in this area also). I also plan to have a walk along the River Main (or at least have a look at it this time). There is also an observation deck near the top of the Main Tower (about 160 foot i think). Then you have the Romer/Dom area too (from Roman times i think), the Museum area and some English and Irish themed bars too where you can catch a game of football after a long, hopefully fruitful day mongering.

For me, Frankfurt will firstly hopefully be immensely enjoyable again and my time will be spent flitting between the two RLDs and exploring this beautiful city. As mentioned before the shopping area (Zeil) is between the two RLDs and has just had a new mall built. There is a glass design on the outside of the building which is truly remarkable and i think the centre collects rainfall and uses it for it's heating systems inside. Clever eh. So as well as the two RLDs (both of which could independently stand alone in many cities; although Breite Gasse is much smaller), i shall be visiting Zeil for shopping, getting a bird's eye view of Frankfurt from the Main Tower for 5euro, having a few beers in Sachsenhausen and some beautiful German food, admiring the beautiful German and Turkish women, checking out the River and maybe a few Museums. Along with this, i'll be visiting some German pubs, and also Irish and English themed ones.

Bare in mind that there are some noteable cities worth visiting that are reasonable nearby. Mannheim is a nice place and the walk to the RLD gets you walking over a pedestrian bridge crossing the mighty River Neckar. If you do check out Mannheim be sure to get yourself a nice Turkish meal in a place just outside the Hbf. The walk to the RLD also takes you through a fascinating neighbourhood that is either Lebanese, or Turkish. The Rld is a 3.25 star rating. Old terraced houses either side with a few indoor places. Plenty younger EE's and a fair smattering of milfs too. All the girls seem to be of European extraction. Then there's Koln with it's two brothels, Stuttgart is another area of interest to me too. Have never been but will this time. About 2 hours ride on the train. En route you have one of Germany's most beautiful cities - Heidelberg, which i plan to visit also.

Overall, from my 5 days there in May '11, i love the place. Other reports have been positive too but for some others it's not for them. If it's no good this time, i'll be honest and let you all know but if it's anything like last time, then i'm a Frankfurt addict. Frankfurt is my favourite RLD and city that i've visited so far on my travels. It lacks peep shows unfortunately but it does have cinemas where i think girls go round 'fluffing', also kinos where i think women get shagged and you can watch, or join in. This time i plan to find out more about this sort of stuff.

Last intel says that Joy is now at Living Room

Best Regards

Smuler

Even aside from its excellent mongering opportunities, I think of Frankfurt as a great tourist destination. There's a LOT to do there, so I'm surprised that it's reported above that the money-museum is the top Google hit for tourism. I disagree that Frankfurt could offer no better than something so boring! I think there's plenty of other good stuff. There's all sorts of old stuff, right back to the Romans (in fact, the downtown / historical zone subway stop is named after Romans), plenty of cultural sights, history, museums, old churches, the whole Europe-in-a-nutshell thing. Not necessarily better or worse than any other city its size; to me, Cologne (Koln) would be comparable in terms of standard-tourist opportunities. And then of course there's the phenomenally excellent mongering in Frankfurt.

You wouldn't necessarily go WRONG with Cologne, but I think you would have a definite positive hit with Frankfurt.

Also, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Berlin (the sex capitol of the European continent!), if Prague and Frankfurt are both within your ambit. Plus, why not Brussels or Antwerp? Hamburg? All these cities can be (depending on the monger, the budget, the interests, etc.) just as monger-friendly, and just as positive for non-monger-tourism, as the cities which you've suggested.

Hi BG good to hear from you and thanks for the reply

Glad to hear that Frankfurt has tourist options - I truely enjoy the cultural aspects of traveling

Berlin - was there once for a few days 10 years ago (strictly as a curtural visiter) and would be open to another visit but know nothing of the P4P scene except the little I have read on this site). Hence my question what cities I should be considering. Any information would be appreciated.

Antwerp - visited for 2 days in 2010 - enjoyed the RLD and the city was very pretty but found the people a bit distant. I will likely return someday but would like to try something different on my next trip.

Brussels - I have been through the city several times - have even flown in and out of its airport a couple times, but have only a few hours sightseeing in the city. If someone's wants to make the case for Brussels I am open to the thought

Hamburg - visited for 3 days 10 years ago (same trip as my Berlin visit). Very likely my least favorite city in all my European travels and from a P4P perspective no doubt my worst experance. So Hamburg is off my list.

At this point I am leaning towards Frankfurt (large window scene, handy FKK's, new territory for me, easy connection to Amsterdam, relatively inexpensive, several interesting cities close enough for day-trips) but am very open to other suggestions

I too am planning a trip this year May 10th-21st. I'll be driving from UK to some places in Holland while on my way to Germany for the time. Mostly the clubs mentioned on this thread but route not worked out yet. I've never been to an FKK club so will try one. Would be good to meet up with other travellers.

Stram

Hey Guys
I finally pulled the trigger and purchased airfare for this long considered trip.

3 days in Frankfurt to end August
and
3 days in Amsterdam to start September

It has been well over a year since my last European adventures, so trust me I am seriously stoked

A few questions:

Any budget hotel suggestions for Frankfurt (clean, Wifi, with bathroom, walking distance of RLD)?

Planning on a trip to Oase – would Thursday or Friday be better for a good selection, and moderate crowd? What is a good time to arrive?

Will be taking the ICE train between the two cities on Saturday morning – should I spend a few extra euros and get a reserved seat or will I be fine without?

Any other advice for a Frankfurt newbie?

Hi Brad

If you're looking to save money..stay across from the Hauptbahnhof at the Excelsior. It's 61 E per night, with free soda and beer in your room every night, free breakfast buffet ( extensive ) , and across the street from the station.

Thursday or Friday @ Oase ..who cares..you are in heaven

I'll be in Amsterdam when you are

Friday, we will be going to Utrecht/ Den Haag in the afternoon

Monday will be Golden Time..

lets take a walk..hopefully I won't blow out my knee like I did a month ago when I was there

Best Regards

Smuler

Smuler

I thought I read you were planning a trip about the same time - glad the timing worked out.
See you in Amsterdam

I have stayed in about 6-7 hotels in Frankfurt and my best recommendation for a good hotel that is not too expensive is Hotel Continental. Great location and clean rooms. About 200 meters from the RLD but still away from the junkies that can hung around the RLD and also just about 50 meters from that famous Iris Pub.
Compare prices on for example booking.com while some days one hotel might cost twice as much as another and the next day it is the other way around. When there is a bigger exhibition the prices might rise 3-4 times.