I saw 4 girls at the back end of last week.

3 of them did the trick where once in the room 50E is only for suck OR fuck and wanted an extra 50 for sex.

First time I didn't negotiate - my fault.
Second time I clarified it was for suck and fuck.
Third time I said very clearly 'For 50E I will get to have sex with you too?' and she said yes.

All 3 played this game however.

Complete rip off rather just trying it on a little. Normally you can at least take the girls word. Couplied with your own shark detector you can usually get better odds.

I'm afraid I forgot about this forum so didn't take kamer numbers or names. A few of them had glasses so beware of those!

With even more window closures I don't think I will be returning after 10+ trips. Sad.

If you pick recommended girls from the girls section on this forum you will be fine. Be aware though that 50 Euro session has remained since 2002 and it WILL change eventually for all the girls, whether it's done in an honest or dishonest way. For me the best sex comes from girls I have been with before and formed a "relationship" with. Then I am happy to spend 30mins to 1 hour for a really good time. Amsterdam is still as great as ever but you have to approach it correctly. I am currently working out my next 6 trips BTW.

I totally agree that "Amsterdam is as great as ever", but the main RLD is nowhere near as great as it once was.
For my last 5 or 6 trips (at least, maybe more), I haven't even bothered going to the main RLD.
De Pijp and Singel are now way better IMO.
1 hour outcalls to the apartment I rent from girls on Kinky.nl (especially when recommended on Hookers.nl) until now have proved to be great too, haven't regretted one yet, not that I've tried so many, but the few I've tried were all good.

I agree, lots of girls are now asking for more than the standard 50 euro - but that's because the cost of living is always increasing, especially in a city like Amsterdam!

Unfortunately I've started a new job with less holiday time so I'm unable to go out as often as I used to! But I will try and go during weekends when I can in the winter when it's a little cheaper with hotels and flights. The main cost for me is spending it on hotels and transport, I don't mind spending 100 euros with regular girls I like each time.

To be honest, using AdultWork - the service is a lot better and you get more for your money because they're willing to do more and also you bypass the cost of accommodation, travel etc. To me, Amsterdam used to be just a normal regular trip for me, now it just seems like a luxury and a treat, which is good and bad depending on how you look at it.

I think the real problem is that the 50€ session just isn't really a viable business model anymore. Cost of living has gone up, but the price of a standard session has remained constant since... pretty much forever. The issue becomes that people are used to the 50€ price point, and if girls start asking for, say, 75€ or 100€ upfront, a lot of customers are going to be put off, especially their Dutch regulars who are, frankly, as many girls have told me, extremely cheap.

So there's this situation now where girls kind of need to make more than they're asking for, but can't ask for more upfront. I really don't think it's as simple as just "the girls are greedy", though certainly some of them are. So now, they have to change their business model, kind of like with video games. Nowadays, you buy a game, there's all sorts of extra downloadable content you need to buy in order to get the full experience, so the game costs you 60.00 upfront, and another 20.00 in add-ons down the line. I kind of feel like if people would just understand and accept that the girls can't really live off of 50€ per session, a lot (though not all) of this trickery would go away.

I'm not really sure what the solution is. I think for now, you really just have to go into it accepting that you're gonna pay more than 50€ to have a good time, and be upfront and let the girl know you're willing to pay more for a good session and don't want any bullshit. If that isn't acceptable to you, then I suppose that yes, Amsterdam is no longer the destination for you as a sex tourist.

I agree with your general points though I wouldn't say the bullshit part (they won't see it as bullshit and may take offense). An option is to treat 50 Euros like a tester session. In the past I have just asked for a BJ which most will do for the 50. During that time you can make a judgement about her and if you get a good vibe as well as a good BJ then say "if I pay another 50 can we make it 30 mins total with sex as well"? So unless she is a complete rip-off you at least get a nice BJ and hopefully a pleasant 30 mins with full sex. The reason I often say Amsterdam is as good as ever is mainly because my 100 Euro - 30 min sessions have stayed identical for over 10 years. Whether it was with the gorgeous Nina in 2002 or the gorgeous Mary in 2015. With inflation, 30 mins sex is actually getting cheaper.
I guess it boils down to this, either invest a bit of time and money into finding a decent new girl which you then go back to, or just visit recommended girls. The chances of randomly finding an attractive girl in De Wallen now that does everything for 50 seems unlikely.

Yeah, I didn't mean to literally say you don't want any bullshit, it was just for brevity's sake and I figured it would get my point across. Obviously, it's always best to be polite when negotiating with a girl.

Yup. See my trip report from this past weekend! I would have rather had someone be honest, I don't mind paying 100 euros for a quality session.

I don't want to repost but I just posted in this forum a new thread with a big thank you and the reason to follow the suggestions here... I followed the forum to a T and was NOT disappointed. My rule was to not see a girl I didn't know about or hear about here, and followed all the rip off warnings and avoided those girls... read my post if you wanna know more, but all in all - follow the forums and the great posters here and you will be fine!

Yes, rip-offs can happen anywhere.
You need to do your research, stick with the recommended girls and analyze people's reviews to get the best experience to suit your individual needs.

There are still gems to be found!

If you convert the value rate of 50 guilders at the time Holland went to the Euro in 2002 it had the same purchasing power as just under 30 euros does in 2015...


In other word if they charged 30 Euros it equates to the old 50fl charge pre 2002..

Yes, people instinctively hate rises in anything but forget their own wages go up too. Imagine if "normal" people earned the same now as they did in 2002. Everyone of them would be on strike. There were strikes in the UK after public worker wages were frozen for just a couple of years because of the recession.

Nest time I go I want to do some kind of print off with 2hqt girls to have .it's hard when you are stoned and pissed to look at the site . (I'm always in a state at dam )

I had 3 girls 2 were great .

The 50 euro price is a bit low tbh . Should be put upto 70 euro I think .

I had 3 girls 2 were great one was dreadful and just wanked me off .

I enjoy walking round choosing what girl to have . It's an experience . Dam rld had always been hit and miss . You got to sail through the bad times to get the good times . Don't let a few bad girls but you off

There comes a time when the price point needs to change. As mentioned earlier on the thread, it used to be 50 Guilders and then when the Euro came in it went straight to 50 Euro, a significant increase. At 50 Guilders, it was worth around £17 if I can remember (very good value at the time) and then suddenly 50 Euro which was around £35.

50 Euro now is about £35, so there has been no change if you are a Brit converting your sterling.

However, cost of living prices have increased a good deal in the last 10 years and yes, the price point needs to change too. But there will always be that mental barrier where people do not want to go beyond the 50.

In my opinion and experience, I love walking round the RLD for the buzz, being able to choose a girl and bang her for a few minutes. Repeat the process 2 or 3 more times in the same evening between a few beers.

If you want extended sessions or more better quality and more varied sessions then I don't think the Dam is the best option. Personally, I opt for girls on Adultwork, those that have full profiles, images and decent feedback. I have found that £100 for 1 hour gets me everything I want in most cases. And I don't even have to fly, rent a hotel room, etc.

You have made a very common mistake. There was an increase but not the 2.2x that you suggest. 50 Guilders was for just 10-12 mins and you had to choose between a suck OR fuck. Here is the break down for what was/is considered the norm-

Prior to Euro-
Suck or fuck (10-12 mins approx)- 50 Guilders (22.73 Euros).
Suck and fuck (20mins approx)- 100 Guilders (45.45 Euros).
30 mins (Often stated as with massage though none seemed to enforce this)- 150 Guilders (68.18) Euros.

After Euro-
Suck or fuck- No longer offered unless below option is paid for.
Suck and fuck- (15-20mins approx)- 50 Euros.
30 mins sex- 100 Euros.

Above figures are based on my own diary entries from Jan 1992 to the present.
It's difficult to fully compare the prices for short sessions because of variations in lengths. It can't be done on a per minute basis because you must allow for dressing and undressing and also the fact that a suck AND fuck would usually be considered superior to a suck OR fuck over a set time period. However for someone like me who has 30mins (or more) sessions 99% of the time, then the price rise was around 47% (ignoring exchange rate variations with my own currency).
With regards to the situation now, I think the girls should have followed normal shops and businesses and steadily increased prices each year or perhaps each 5 years (to avoid ridiculous prices like 53.30 Euros). It would require regular trips to the bank and wads of 5s, 10s and 20s for change and they would all have to stick together. Unfortunately neither of those two things is likely so we drift into a confusing somewhat dishonest situation where few girls want to ask for more at the door but do indeed need and deserve more. I think it's very important to separate the honest girls who simply need a pay rise and those who are out to rip people off regardless of what you pay them. The current situation means the two groups get lumped together unfortunately.
As others have stated, there are of course other options to Amsterdam and anyone that thinks the RLD is now a minefield should consider them.

At the end of the day, one really shouldn't have to do research on a website like this one in order to ensure a positive experience (or lack of numerous negative experiences back to back, as the case may be!) Is Amsterdam over as a sex destination? It's the only city in which I'll never visit a girl without having first read multiple positive reviews here or on hookers.nl. It's the only place I go where such caution is generally needed. It's the only place where asking a girl who's already agreed to have sex with you whether or not removing her top is included in the negotiated price is a reasonable question. These days I don't even bother at all. The city will retain its reputation for some time I imagine and people will still visit, but I think, in the end, those of us travelling primarily for sex (and I include myself in this group) have found that there are just better options elsewhere.

Look, for us yanks in the United States, its about 110 euro's for a full service massage, and that's after paying about 25 euro's just to get in the parlor, 135 euros for s/f to some chic who may or may not let you touch her pussy, and FIA or whatnot and won't know what you get until she walks into the room and then have Mr. "I follow the law" demon-man on your right shoulder telling you to hurry because the police are coming to get you....it is what it is! I enjoy my flights to Amsterdam, the weed, and getting to "enjoy" the girls..latter two I can do here at home but it's just not the same seedy shady way in Adam...man, its time for another trip.....I end up spending anywhere from 50-100 euro's session. The 50's are like what was said before, get your feet wet, see if she does it for you. If she does, go back and give a bigger tip. George sure has his prices right for the times and those prices were pretty much the same in the mid to late 80's. My first visit was in 1985 and 'my brother' paid 50 guilders for me. So over 30 years, prices have only doubled, doesn't count much for inflation.

One of the main reasons paid sex in Amsterdam is so fucked up is Americans exporting their tipping culture, which has never been a thing in this country. Please don't forget that salaries tend to be much higher in the US and UK as well. Tourists with deep pockets and no concern for (or probably simple lack of knowledge of) local standards of service are the reason so many girls are able to get away with charging extra for top off, specific positions and other nonsense. This shit only really happens in Amsterdam. Most locals avoid De Wallen nowadays in light of what it's become.

In terms of paid sex, Amsterdam is already about the worst value for money in Europe (as far as places where prostitution is legal, anyway), and still we often hear from people who want to pay even more for shoddy service. Why? Because they feel it's still a pretty good value relative to their fat US salary and the fucked up situation at home? Or because they just haven't yet been mongering anywhere else in Europe? These are not really good reasons, if you ask me. No offence intended by the way. I'm American too and it took me a while to reach my current mindset on this issue. I think I probably tipped once or twice on my first couple of visits and was too forgiving of shitty service, then read more, visited other places, developed different standards and (hopefully) over time, a better understanding of the local culture. I also don't have the disposable income I once did and rolling the dice in De Wallen is just not a tempting option nowadays, despite living within cycling distance. I still go mongering on occasion, just very seldom in Amsterdam and only with girls I've known for years at this point.

I'm not sure that "tipping" as such is really the issue. The general idea with a tip is that you're rewarding the quality girls for giving great service. I'm sure that nice girls like Cookie or Lilly have received plenty of tips without being corrupted into lowering their standards of service. I sometimes tip if I've had trouble staying hard or taken a long time to cum, and the girl has made a real effort and maybe switched back to blowjob or hand job then a couple of more positions and the time has run on past the point where they could reasonably have asked for more money to extend the session.

Agreeing to pay extra for things that were aready agreed at the door is something different. Paying extra for "nonsense" upselling just encourages more of the same. I prefer to stick to €50 for a first-time session with a girl, even if potentially I might decide she's worth €100 on future sessions. I prefer to concentrate on the sex rather than argue about whether the girl will take her top off....I'm not going to pay extra for it.

It's a bit pointless to want all the customers of the Amsterdam RLD to think and behave in the same way when it comes to money and expected service standards, especially when so many are tourists. A lot of these girls are from Romania and Bulgaria, and by their own standards all the locals and tourists they see are rich. Probably the main issue is that because the girls see a lot of tourists, for one session only, there is less incentive in giving good service, and that lack of service gradually becomes more widespread. And for the tourists, there's a difference between what you can afford on an occasional holiday, and what you can afford to spend regularly back at home, which is likely to inflate prices in some way or other. Having said that, a lot of the girls seem to have a particular way of doing business (good, bad , indifferent) and stick to it without seeming to behave in a way that would logically earn them more money in the long run, so I'm not sure its really a thought out strategy, just what they consider to be normal.

It doesn't help that the economy has been depressed for a long time. A frequent comment of the girls when I ask if they've been busy is to say that there are lots of people walking around but not so many clients. If the girls are only getting a small number of clients each shift, out of which they have to pay for the room, it does give them more reason to try and squeeze a bit of extra cash out of each one, by fair means or foul. As one upseller told me: "You are on holiday. You have money". They aren't stupid, they know there are more notes in the average tourists wallet. I would guess that some other RLDs are more businesslike, with regulars and girls who know exactly what is expected for a certain price, and the emphasis is more on volume of clients than on how much can be squeezed out of each one.

It's a fact that Amsterdam is expensive and it probably doesn't have the best RLD service standards compared to some other places, but it's a still a good place to visit. I'm not sure it would be at the top of the list if you were planning a trip purely for sex, it's a combination of things that make Amsterdam worthwhile. I think the RLD has declined gradually since I first visited in 2007, but there is still great sex available from hot girls.... and €50 in 2015 prices is probably closer to €40 in 2007 prices.

As an example of a random punt, I visited a completely unknown (to me anyway) girl on Stoofsteeg a couple of weeks back on a Friday afternoon. A cute 22-year old Romanian girl called Elena (I think it might have been in Stoofsteeg 10R, possibly a couple of windows further down in 8, it was an upstairs room where the stairs twisted around and doubled back on themselves). She was really nice, maybe the sex wasn't mind-blowing but it was a satisfying fuck with a cute girl. She didn't take her top-off (I was too exhausted to make an issue of it - possibly she might have done without upselling, I couldn't be bothered to ask and maybe she couldn't be bothered to undo and re-do the straps) but she was very chatty and friendly.

I think that kind of session is fairly representative, on the one hand you shouldn't really need to ask a girl to take her top off, on the other hand it's not bad value compared to spending the same money at the Heineken Experience or on a canal cruise or a few overpriced beers.

Also, don't underestimate the way that your own behavior contributes to service levels, just being friendly helps a lot. It makes more sense to think of the girls as individuals offering different things, rather than a homogeneous group obliged to stick to some kind of McDonalds franchise €50 fixed service level. The real issue is not the prices, its occasional dishonesty about what you get for the price. The nice girls more than make up for the occasional dubious upsell or rip-off...... and some of them put on a real performance at €100 that is worth 2 frustrating so-so €50 sessions.

Personally, I would argue that doing your research is a big part of this hobby no matter where you go (albeit often for different reasons). I've read many things on many different sites about all sorts of scams and rip offs. I've read about very similar tactics to the ones in Amsterdam being employed in Prague. Gotta do your research here in North America to avoid getting arrested and/or robbed. In Thailand you gotta make sure the girls are actually girls (unless you're into that kind of thing), not underage, don't have HIV, etc.

For me, there are advantages and disadvantages anywhere you go. I guess it depends what your priorities are. Germany would be kind of difficult for me because I don't drive, for example. Amsterdam is great because it has a very central red light district that is very close to many hotels, it's a nice neighborhood, you can stop and get a drink or have a smoke, lots of good restaurants around, and there are definitely quite a few very nice girls around. Again, I'm quite sure there are quite a few more very good girls around than we hear about, because of how relatively few girls are reported on here and the fact that this site does seem to give some people tunnel-vision a little bit. I went out of my way last trip to try a couple new girls. Desi/Daisy was basically an unknown at the time, and now quite a few people have had very good sessions with her. If you look on the map on Hookers.nl, the majority of the girls have at least a 3 "foot" rating, which would imply that you can expect at least reasonable service from most of them. I think it's easy to be negative because it's a lot easier to remember a very bad girl than it is to remember a decent one.

I don't tip, personally. I always get longer sessions upfront and explain what I want and what I expect. Usually seems to work out fairly well. I understand that that isn't particularly helpful for everyone because my budget usually tends to be quite large, but the point is, there is definitely some good fun to have if you can see Amsterdam as being perhaps a little more high-end than some other places in terms of price.

By all means, if you have a better time somewhere else, keep going there. If you feel Amsterdam isn't good value for your money, then that's fine. For me, Amsterdam is kind of the Goldilocks zone. It's central and accessible enough with reliable enough service (at least for me) without being too expensive, and it's in a nice area where I feel safe. To me, the package is more than the sum of its parts.

Just my opinion, of course.