I find fast food compelling mainly because it's cheaper than fine dining, but that comparison doesn't really seem to hold up for the RLD IMHO. Even disregarding service quality, €100 gets me an hour in a privehuis; whereas I'd be lucky to get 30 minutes in the RLD for the same money. The RLD option isn't really any cheaper as far as I can tell. Many privehuisen also offer €50 sessions, although they're usually very short, so the advantage is less clear in this case.

I guess it could be argued that De Wallen girls may be more attractive on average than those at privehuisen.

Well, that is one thing, De Wallen girls are often better looking. Another big factor, though, and where I draw the fast food comparison from, is convenience.

Escorts and Prives (and FKKs, presumably) are not really always things you can do spur of the moment. They usually require some planning and some travel time. De Wallen is less than a ten minute walk from my hotel. Should I be so inclined, I could roll out of bed and be getting my dick sucked in 15 minutes.

That is a big part of it for me. I'm not a guy who likes to make tons of plans and have my vacation structured all in advance. I like to just wake up and be like "hmmmm... what do I feel like doing today?". I've had many a time when I didn't think I was gonna bother seeing a girl that day, perhaps I'd even already retreated to my hotel and been in bed doing a little reading or something, only to have the mood strike. Being able to just throw on whatever, jump out the door, and get some reasonably good quality sex is just a factor you can't overlook. It's like the difference between being able to just run to the corner store if you want a quick snack and having to drive to the supermarket.

You're right about that, I suppose it would explain why I still partake in the RLD every now and then (usually the Singel RLD though). :)

I guess this is also somewhat circumstantial. I live within fifteen minutes of a good privehuis, so I enjoy spur-of-the-moment convenience from a privehuis without the need to be in Amsterdam. There's even a closer privehuis on the next street from me, although I've only visited it once and didn't have a great experience there (it wasn't bad, just not great; it was very cheap though).

As for planning or not, I'm more likely to have a spontaneous encounter at a privehuis than the RLD as I feel there's less chance of being ripped off or bad service at a privehuis (it does happen, just less often in my experience). I guess I tend to worry way too much about random encounters in the Wallen; my random encounters over the years have been fairly mixed - some good, some bad, although I guess I haven't encountered any outright rip-offs come to think of it. I often get tempted, and I usually just end up telling myself that it's probably a bad idea.

Yeah, I suppose it would be quite different if you lived close to a good prive. I could see how De Wallen could lose its lustre quite quickly then. We don't really have any of this kind of stuff in Toronto, our scene is mostly limited to escorts, and good escorts usually require advanced booking and references. Something you really have to plan around.

Tonight is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Dita wound up having to cancel, so I went out and saw Simona and had a very nice time. Was great to have De Wallen so close by, otherwise my evening probably would've been basically ruined.

Just got back tonight. Not really worth a trip report but enjoyed it as much as ever. A couple of fantastic sessions with my fave Mary in the evening. Unfortunately people are finally starting to discover her so she's often busy. My day time fave Vanessa hasn't been around for months so I needed someone new. Took grimnul's recommendation (thanks) and tried Desy (Desi / Daisy). Not as good looking as I expected but we instantly clicked and the session was great. So I had sex with some fantastic girls, I walked around a busy and vibrant red light district and ate loads of fast food. Exactly like my other 100 plus trips.
I wish there were more sexy Dutch girls like 20 years ago but I also like the EE replacements. I wish the sex shops opened later but I have free internet porn now and that's the only reason I ever went in. I wish the Sexy Land area was as it was but I can only fuck so many girls so as long as there's a decent one for the day and another for the night ultimately it doesn't matter. I miss my old favourites like Nina, Cookie, Mai Thai but there's always a new one like Desy to discover. Glad to see the back of the bridge trolls, persistent beggars, dog shit and general grubbiness of 20 years ago. Don't know or care about Coffeeshops though I passed loads throughout the city.

I've been going for about 3-4 years now and have been on around 30 or so trips I think, I feel like I might make an investment to buy a small flat there in the future. I reckon, in time, I might save money from hotel and restaurant bills! Plus, it'd make day trips or weekend trips more cost effective!

There should be a little Ignatz clubhouse hahaha

Glad you had a good trip, George, and glad Desy was a good recommendation. I, personally, think she has one of the best bodies in De Wallen, but that's a matter of opinion, of course. She is a very nice, chatty girl, though, with a fun sense of humor and always seems to make people feel very welcome.

It's like I've said; there are plenty of new "stars" to find, we're just not aware of many of them on this site yet. I mean, even if we assume the rate of rip offs to good girls is 50/50, that still means there are several hundred girls in De Wallen that are worth seeing.

I liked her thinness but didn't find her face that great. However she reminded me of Hungarian Vicky from a few years back who looked very similar and was one of my all time favourites. Desy is one of those girls who talks to you like a human being and not just a client. She asked about my appendix scare and wanted to tell me about hers and complained it was wider. She wanted to know what I had done that day. These are the kind of girls I can pseudo bond with and what makes a session so much better than just anonymous sex.

Hi,

I guess that now with the little hindsight I've got that nothing is to compare with the moment I discovered the RLD in late 2008 and more in winter 2009 which was the first ime when I saw La Vie en Rose covered area, something I didn't expect to see and I was astonished that such a place existed even if the long walks on OZA and streets on the first laps was one of the most exhilarating experience of my life. It was a cold winter with some snow all over the streets and it gave something very special to them and added a nice atmosphere to the whole city. I was very impressed, feeling like a kid in a candyshop but with adult attractions.

A lot of things have changed since, primarily the gentrification (just look what happened to Sexy Land area, sex shop and a few more windows shut down since late 2012- early 2013, explaining in part why famous providers like Kim and Max have stopped -even if in those two cases there also personal material to take into consideration). The OZA is probably the most visited area and certainly where most of the rip off artists are based. Tiny little streets like Trompettersteeg and Sint Annenstraat are dull during the day, business very slow. So the main activity is now located on week-end nights (Fraidy and Saturday) on OZA and a few others streets around. That's the way it is.

For me, nothing can be compared (and I wasn't mongering in the late 90's even less in the 80's but it's obviously a golden age -mid 90 til 2005- for a lot of people including few veterans here -hello greenie :) . That period of fifteen years with the guilders and then the first steps of euro were probably more exciting than what we live now.

But I have this feeling that Amsterdam will NEVER lose his specific charm and the way you can live it : is there many other places in the world where you are able to smell the sweet breeze of weed in the air as soon as you leave Amsterdam Centraal Station, smoking a pot, having a drink a nice cafe, then shagging a beautiful girl in a room (and smoking in the same time some weed during BJ if she's up too) before spending some time with beautiful naked girls in La Vie en Proost before enjoying a nice meal and then watching people fucking on stage at Casa Rosso ? Not so many. The architecture is unique. There is cool vibe in the air, people are very friendly and helpful.

I've been here for regular trips from 2009 to 2013, recently it hasn't been the case at all, but I still have fond memories of those beautiful moments i've had here. Many providers have stopped to work, it's not a big surprise, it's happening oe day or another, I've been hooked to some they have been friends, we were exchanging thoughts, jokes and ideas, it was very nice.

Is there an Amsterdam Hollow ? Maybe, maybe not. Times are changing, for some reasons for the worst, but the city itself still has her incredible way of life, open-minded lifestyle.

We have made the trip 15 years in a row and obviously it has gotten somewhat boring . We love the country and the city but it seems Amsterdam is changing and not for the better. We miss all of the Sexyland type of shows and the old Amsterdam where De Wallen area just seemed to ooze sex.

Today it seems it is just so blaaaa and same thing over and over . Also prices seem to have jumped quite a bit and the friendliness is not there like it used to be.

We always visited the swingers clubs and from the Candy Club to paradise this type of club seems to be failing .We still love FM and FF2 but .................We will spend our dollars in the U S Fantasy Fest for us .Not the windows but wall to wall naked wild women .

Hey Houston,

Nice to see your post.

Hope that you are indeed well.

Susie's and Thai Bird Snackbar are but a few of the places that have not changed a lot.

Could you please PM me your email addy?

I have a plan now to be RVing in Florida next October and just bought one. My plan is for Bike Week, staying in the area for FF and then heading for NM and AZ after that.

Regards, Roland

Maybe it's because it was my first RLD I visited but I have yet to find somewhere like Amsterdam. The mix of a RLD with bars and food plus being close tl cultural stuff I enjoy, the Dutch people and the vibrance. Other RLD's I've been to have either been a bit isolated or don't have the flair Amsterdam does.

I think it's partly that I haven't really been ripped off in Amsterdam too which makes it for me (and kind of have everywhere else haha).

I love the place and if I could move there I would (tho setteling on moving to Brussels instead).

I was going to write a trip report from my recent trip to Amsterdam, but as I don’t really have anything positive to say, I thought that I would write a post here instead. My last trip to A’dam was 18 months ago and my previous trip to that was another 18 months before that.

It seems that the kamer closures has taken its toll and as a mongering city, it has definitely lost its edge. I had read about the closures on Bethlehemsteeg, but the ‘Hangover Information Centre’; WTF?

The thing that I remember about the Wallen was the variety of ‘types’ of girls available. Now it seems that the majority of girls have one or all of these; fake boobs, fake tans, tattoos. And it seems invariably the girls are from Bulgaria or Romania, so have a particular look and definitely have a particular attitude. Oh, to be back in circa. 2004 when there was an influx of blonde Poles and Czech’s and good service was the norm.

I can understand that it wasn’t going to be 50 euros for a f&s forever, but it seems that 50 euros is the cheapest that you can get now, 70 euros for multiple positions. One girl quoted me 100 euros for a basic f&s. I mean 100 euros for 15 minutes of poor service. At that rate you can either have 15 minutes in Amsterdam or 4 nights worth in Thailand!

So that’s me done with Amsterdam, so the question is – Where’s the best window mongering in Europe now?

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I still love Amsterdam and its small city village feel, frankly its pretty magical compared with the greyness of many larger European cities .... but as for the RLD I find the shine has long gone.

I used to love the RLD too and have the fondest memories of the years before the euro was adopted when although some windows were hit and miss, usually a good time was had nearly all of the time and a fantastic service was provided by ladies who took pride in their work and knew how to provide a service with a great smile and great attitude and consequently they attracted repeat custom.

The years have naturally changed this RLD as others around the world ..... but the RLD in Amsterdam has become too customer unfriendly with typically poor service, poor attitude and a rushed experience. Of course there are exceptions and these are fortunately listed on ignatzmice which tends limit the risks ..... but I long for the days when could just wander around, find a likey lady, go in and 8/10 receive great service and come away fully satisfied. However, I am now often far too sceptical to take a chance and when I fly solo and wander without checking out in advance with Ignatzmice and find a likely lady and just pop the window and take a chance I kick myself after as sadly 8/10 times I feel I have wasted both my time and my money.

Sad ... but not the end of DeWallen

This right here sums it up. Let's not forget straight up dishonesty about services provided at a certain price point, even when explicitly asked about before money changes hands. Amsterdam is done as a sex tourism destination. Over. Finished. I went to the city centre tonight for the first time in many months, on another errand. Walked around for a while, Agnieszka wasn't working, went home... simply because I knew there was a 99% chance that any money I spent on anyone I haven't known for years, I would regret.

Earlier today I had one of the worst experiences I've ever had in another city (by that city's standards, anyway) The bitch complained about everything: don't touch here, don't move in and out so much (uhhh... that's what fucking is?), don't fuck so slow (okay, sorry I'm not done in 5 minutes), blah blah blah... etc... just absurd. It came as no surprise to me when she told me that she also works in Amsterdam.


Honestly, I hope nobody answers this question. Because it seems to me, as soon as a place becomes popular and more talked about on the internet, it turns to shit. Amsterdam is already finished. I have my own thoughts as far as this question goes but I'll never share them here. I'd rather shut the site down than see another mongering destination turn to shit. Hell, since this site is focused on Amsterdam, which is now a ridiculous destination for any non-stupid sex tourist (and, for every other destination, some other site is already covering it better than we can), I basically don't see the point in maintaining it any longer. Especially since no one clicks on/signs up for the porn ads (which bring in some minuscule amount of money whenever anyone signs up) and, although the cost per month is low as far as the server goes, my time is still worth something here. I don't know what to do.... I guess, either expect a major format change here or (more likely) simply the disappearance of this site in the near future. It's no longer worthwhile as far as I can tell, at least in its current incarnation. In the end, I guess having an English language site covering European mongering destinations is a huge problem, because idiot tourists will overpay, tip, tolerate poor service, etc... i.e. completely fuck it up for the locals, and then once one city is fucked up, the discussion shifts to another, etc, etc. I reckon I'd be doing a public service by shutting this shit down, thus helping in some small way to preserve lesser known locales for at least a little while longer. Need to sleep on this, but seriously, don't be surprised if this site is gone very soon. Opposing viewpoints welcome (assuming you're civil about it, otherwise I'll take it as an invitation to block your entire ISP and/or country at the server level, because I don't care at this point.). I just think we're doing more harm than good here. The *truly* motivated perv can search out info in the local language for whatever locale he's planning on visiting... I think there NEEDS to be a barrier to entry here, because we've seen what happens when information becomes too accessible for deep-pocketed, ignorant, lazy visitors.

I, for one, would be very disappointed if this site went away.

Amsterdam is still a place that's very special to a lot of people, and this site is a very valuable resource for us. I could understand restricting access to the forums in some way, but just scrapping it entirely would be a big loss for us regulars who do contribute and do use this site regularly. I mean, yeah, there's hookers.nl, but I don't speak Dutch and Google Translate is not amazing. It's very hard to get accurate information about a girl's appearance, services offered, or even really if they're recommended or not having to go off the gibberish Google spits out.

Some of us here still have regular girls who we see in Amsterdam. Some of us might be looking for something in particular and might want a recommendation. Some of us might have girls who have moved and we don't know where they are now. People here have helped me find some very good times and I hope I've been able to help a lot of others. We're not all bad and we don't all do the kind of dumb shit that ruins things for everyone. I do tend to do longer sessions, but I don't tip, and I don't overpay for what I'm getting. This site actually helps me avoid doing shit like that because it helps me avoid girls who are going to try to get me to pay more than I should.

Fine, get rid of the sections talking about other cities. Make the forums more difficult to get in to. Posters here should maybe have a little more discretion about what they say to who. I understand your frustration, but please don't kill the site outright. That'd be a huge shame.

While I fully understand everyone's frustration with the way the main RLD has changed for the worse, I have to respectfully disagree that it contributes to fucking it up for the locals (or for anyone else). At least the tourists that do visit this site learn a bit about how to behave, which girls to avoid, and how to smell out the rip-offs. Surely that only helps, even though only in a small way due to the limited number of visitors to this site.

I stopped visiting De Wallen a few years ago, because of the way it changed. Not just the level of service, but the atmosphere changed, but I do go to the Singel and DePijp (Ruysdaelkade), where the quality of service is still good as a rule. Obviously, the vast majority of tourists don't visit this or other related sites, so there is nothing anyone can do to change the way they behave and the influence they have.

So IMO this site contributes to preserving the standards as opposed to having a negative affect. I hope you have a change of heart and keep this site alive.
BTW, I have the feeling that a lot of people visit the site without joining, do you have the data on how many visitors there are who don't join?

I also agree with Bob. Most of the bad behaviour from tourists is due to ignorance. They don't know what they should be getting for their money or what level of service they should expect so they get taken advantage of.

Having a site like this that helps explain the etiquette and what you should look for and what to avoid can really only help. Sure, there are probably a few shitheads who just sign up, post once, then go over to De Wallen and act like complete idiots, but I have to think they're the vast minority.

I know it's apples and oranges, but I don't understand the fascination with 15-minute 50-euro trysts when you can lounge, relax, have a soft drink, bathe, fuck, and suck at a prive for about 100 euro. I'm too old for window girls; they're great eye candy, but when it went from the 50 guilder price to the 50 euro ripoff in 2001, I went only to Jan Bik, Park 118, and the few other low-priced bordellos. With the success of the revitalized Park 118, I have no idea why more affordable prives don't open. The worst news I heard was that Club Luxury (at the old Jan Bik address) was thriving even though they were charging 150 euros, which for me is too high, as my fetishes would bring the cost up to over 200 euros. But to each his own, and believe me, in a nostalgic sense I miss the old RLD and the porn shops, etc. I spent maybe 30 minutes in the RLD on my trip a few weeks ago---it was just sad, dull, and depressing. All of Amsterdam is becoming a giant Edam cheese shop. As a hotel clerk told me, "They want this to be a city for old ladies."

And I feel your frustration, Bluto---NYC is even worse. We have nothing here but ugly nonprofessional ghetto whores, VIP lap dances in high-pressure clubs at gangster rates, and awful Asian Massage Parlous where you can waste $200 for a hand job from an old hag. I have chosen to ignore the sex scene here since 2010---why pay for shit?

I'd hate to see this site go down. I read it often. I have about four or five trips archived, from Amsterdam to Prague.

Whatever your decision is, Bluto, don't think you're not appreciated. You do a great job. You deserve better.

Thank you all for the civilised feedback after a somewhat less than civilised posting from your angry webmaster.


I think this is probably correct.

Anyway, mongering in Amsterdam is a lost cause. I'm more concerned about other cities that are still good in terms of our hobby here. They're barely ever mentioned on this site. I'm not sure if it's not better to take measures to keep it that way. I'll really have to think about it. Anyway, due to the low volume of traffic, I suppose the presence or absence of this website will have a negligible effect on the overall picture, as you note. And I don't want to take away something that other people enjoy. It would be a shitty thing to do when I've derived so much enjoyment from it personally (although things have certainly changed in the city since 2008, when I joined the site...) So guys, I'm sorry. Enjoy the site and, if you can still somehow enjoy a visit to De Wallen, good. I can't any longer, but to each his own I guess.