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Amsterdam prostitutes sex slaves?
Posted: 2005-11-18, 11:42 pm

thunderrod
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Following is a clip from a Wikipedia article on Amsterdam prostitution. Is this true or a bunch of BS?

Pimping and Human Trafficking
The Wallen is hit hard by pimping and human trafficking, although the extent of these phenomena in this area is uncertain. Two anonymous vice officers of the bureau Beurstraat who have worked in this area revealed in October 2005 that there are two main groups of human traffickers on the Wallen, the "loverboys" and a group known as "the Turks". The group of loverboys consist mostly of young Moroccan males who use romantic techniques to persuade young women to work for them as prostitutes. The Turkish group concentrates mainly on the trafficking in Eastern European prostitutes. An investigation into this group in early 2003 failed miserably: only a few arrests were made and the defendants where quickly released due to lack of evidence.

The setup of window-prostitution is beneficial for human traffickers. It is very easy (with false documents, if necessary) to rent a window. No questions are being asked by the brothel owners. Furthermore it is easy for human traffickers to keep an eye on the woman while she's behind a window. Usually pimps are not allowed to enter indoor-brothels and hence prefer window-prostitution. Dutch prostitutes who work in other segments of the prostitution industry (escort, clubs etc….) seem to be much more independent.

According to a Christian organization of aid workers named the ‘Scharlaken Koord’ (in English, Scarlet Cord), out of 892 prostitutes they had contact with in the year 2001, 450 handed over all their earnings to their pimp. The Scharlaken Koord mainly works among prostitutes on the Wallen. Moreover, of the 439 Dutch window-prostitutes on the Wallen they had contact with in 2001-2002, 380 indicated they where introduced into prostitution by a loverboy. According to these aid workers many prostitutes find it difficult to escape prostitution because they are socially isolated and have huge debts, often built up by their former boyfriends in their name. Usually the only friends they have are other prostitutes or their pimp. The Scharlaken Koord has set up a special ‘pal’-program for prostitutes in which the pals help the women to build up a new social network.

Glass doors to rooms rented by prostitutes in the Amsterdam red light districtIn the year 2004 the Amsterdam authorities ordered research of the nature and scale of the loverboy-phenomena in Amsterdam. The Willem Plompe institution took up that job. These researchers mainly focused on the prostitutes on the Wallen. The researchers under the leadership of professor Frank Bovenkerk were shocked to find out that women under the control of a pimp can be easily put to work in basically all legal brothels, while the brothel owners usually are well aware that the woman has a pimp. But the researchers concluded that the typical loverboy is rare. And the phenomena is not new either. There have always been pimps who use romantic techniques. However there was a problem with what they called ‘the modern pimp’. Prostitutes they have spoken to indicated it is nearly impossible for a prostitute to work independently. The ones who try cannot resist men who force themselves upon them. Nearly all prostitutes work for a man, but some have been coerced into sex work. The researchers assume that for Latin American and African prostitutes, men in their home countries play a big role in the background. For East European women they suspect human traffickers play a big role. These human traffickers subcontract the supervising of these women to mainly Albanian pimps. The researchers referred to a black-list compiled by officers of the bureau Beursstraat of pimps with a very violent criminal history who operate on the Wallen. Only 76 are on that list. That means according to those researchers that there are only 76 violent pimps on the Wallen, not many if compared to the more than 1000 prostitutes who work in this area. Furthermore they asked Toos Heemskerk (of the Scharlaken Koord) and others to exactly point out who the girls were who work for a loverboy. They counted only 20 during mid-week and 50 on the weekend. They asked more than 20 random Dutch prostitutes how they entered prostitution. All the women they spoke to were introduced into prostitution by their (former) boyfriends through a love affair. The girls call this "voodoo". Often these boyfriends were Moroccan and sometimes they were Turks. Most of these women now work independently for a boyfriend they have chosen themselves or have switched from one pimp to another. Sometimes they tell they have been sold for tens of thousands of euros.

Contrary to popular belief, the Dutch prostitutes are not recruited among the socially and economically disadvantaged, but from white middle class families. Especially blond girls are in demand. The girls mostly come from rural areas and not from the cities.


link to the full article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Wallen
Re: Amsterdam prostitutes sex slaves?
Posted: 2005-11-19, 2:05 am

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That's no BS. It's common knowledge that a lot of working girls have pimp boyfriends or husbands.
Re: Amsterdam prostitutes sex slaves?
Posted: 2005-11-19, 5:55 am

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Is it just me or do I smell the whiff of good old, poisonous, Christian hypocrisy here.
Re: Amsterdam prostitutes sex slaves?
Posted: 2005-11-19, 10:54 am

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Emmmm, sorry Thunerrod, would you mind repeating that please?
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Posted: 2005-11-19, 1:49 pm

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Yep, read my post about "Alkmaar declines due to pimps bulshit" where a freind of mine (and her freinds) working in Alkmaar independently were all targeted by a pimp fresh out of jail. It ended OK when some girls hid low or went home for a few weeks until the police (and other pimps who's girls were being hit) put pressure on him to go away.

The Police think it is about 80% forced, but their definition of forced stretches it a bit. The way this report is made up is also designed to use evocative words like "Human Traficking" to give the idea that the girls in Windows are all kidnapped sex slaves, which is plainly nonsense since they are all in plain view.

Also, the bit about not requiring ID at the office to rent a window is wrong. Every Girl shows her passport and the police write the occupation of "prostitute" in the foreign girl's visa attached to the passport (nice) and know every single girl by working name and real name.

Recently, for instance, Agnieshka on OZA had her polish passport ripped apart by a female police passport, just to make sure it was real and the photo was genuine. It cost her a lot of money to replace it at the Polsh Embassy, they are that strict!

Therefore, it is no wonder the investigation into "trafficing" fell apart, since there was nothing to investigate, despite the pressure to find evidence.


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Re: Amsterdam prostitutes sex slaves?
Posted: 2005-11-19, 5:27 pm

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Just read your post Mike. Thanks. I think I understand this a little better now.
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Posted: 2005-11-20, 11:11 pm

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Please explain to me why there are pimps. Being that the hookers in the Kamers are there legally and there seem to be plenty of cops around. If someone hassles a girl the cops would protect her. What am I missing?

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Posted: 2005-11-21, 12:28 am

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How do the Police tell a pimp from boyfreind from "owner" to customer.

How do you tell a Girl from Rumania who just thinks of Cops as corrupt, bad news and the toys of the previous corrupt Government and now the toys of the Mafia, that they will protect her.

How do you tell such a Girl the Police will protect her family, when he says he will have her mother's legs broken at such and such address in a different country? (And means it).

Usually, they go to another pimp to protect them from the worse pimp. At least one that won't force them to get rediculous silicon boobs (like one famous girl in Alkmaar was forced).

Just think, you are on your own, its 2 am in a dark passage with no Police about. Security won't come before her face gets slashed...its a nasty little world down there!

These girls are pretty brave (the independent ones).
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Posted: 2005-11-21, 1:39 am

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It's really sad that the situation for the girls is like this, what MikeDH and others told. See, I have no moral concerns buying sex if the girls are there by their own free (okey, relatively free) will, and if they will have all the money (my money!) by themselves. I wish I knew which girls are independent...

On my forst visit to RLD I was naiiv enough to ask some girls a little ab' their situation, trying to see if they seemed forced or unhappy to be there. But of course they managed to hide whatever truth with a cheeky smile.

I remember I saw two girls, famous Sabrina in OZA and one girl in church area, who both had the same man's name tattooed.... It was exactly the same style and size of it. That put me off, asuming it was the name of a pimp, current or previous.

I've read somewhere in the forum that girls working at Privehuisen are more likely to be independent (?). Giving that my visit to Asmaras was very pleasant, and the service was excellent, I will surely go back there next time if the likelyhood that I support a pimp is smaller compared to if I go and see a window girl ! ((sadly I cannot remember the names of the two girls I had at Asmaras))
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Posted: 2005-11-21, 8:28 am

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They all have a sad story. Pimps, fuck trophys, broke families. Etc.

If someone is lucky they will seperate themselves from the rest and succeed in life.

Girls could work the wallen in to thier 30's if they exercised and didnt freaking chain smoke and drink red bull all night. Instead they end up in the minors(prives).

Hookers do not go to school, they go to tanning booths.

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Posted: 2005-11-22, 1:21 am

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Don't any of them do it because they want to?
I mean some of them look like rock and roll party girls for life and then some of the call girls look quite entrepreneurial--but I guess that's a whole different thing.
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Posted: 2005-11-22, 8:05 pm

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Yes, plenty do... and you can tell them. They are the ones who are sharp in the deal. professional, confident and dont have the "haunted" look.

You will get to learn them. Take a good look at the girls in the Stoof, and compare them to the girls on the Tromp!
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Posted: 2005-11-22, 8:47 pm

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I can't think that my favourite girl ..(i don't say the name) has pimp and she is forced to work...she is very happy, she speaks about her parents..ecc. about her life..about her future..and doesn't seem to be forcet in this job.
I think that there is same girl that has pimps like a boyfried ..with witch divide her earnings, but at the same time is indipendent and free to finish this job when she want...for example!
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Posted: 2005-11-23, 1:26 am

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not all have pimps i know girls who have quit the job,others who had babies and gone back home,others who travel around europe with a girlfriend looking for escort/private house jobs..
as mike says you will see the signs with experience and age also has a factor..
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Posted: 2005-11-23, 3:55 am

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Interesting topic.......I have been meaning to write to this forum and ask about the amount of involvement Organized Crime has in running the RLD. For what it's worth I must admit that my sense of walking through and enjoying the RLD for over 10 years is that the whole boyfriend/pimp issue has become more obvious over the last 18 months or so.

I know the serious Organized Crime scene from a NYC viewpoint. I know that it is different than that (thankfully). I feel totally safe walking through the RLD at all hours, but the reaction of the girls to whoever is controlling them seems to me to have caused some of the increasing numbers of complaints of ripoffs etc in the last year. i sat at talked to a pimp/boyfriend guy and asked up front how it all works. Seems to me that there is a whole gamut of the way things are run. You know how it is, you get a feel for the streets etc, and I 'm just wondering what I'm feeling. I have appreciated reading others responses on this.

All that being said I will be in Amsterdam at the beginning weeks of both Jan. and Feb., so we'll see.

Hey, is Ingelina still at La Vie?

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Posted: 2005-11-23, 8:40 am

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Wat voor werk doe je?

If you met any working girl on the street, she would not reveal it to you. Even in the Netherlands there is still some social stigma involved with being a whore. She would make up some bullshit.

I hardly ever tell people the truth about Amsterdam, I make up some bullshit.

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Posted: 2005-11-23, 4:12 pm

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I know 2 ladies that for sure are not forced or have a pimp/bf.One i met in the Amsterdam RLD,the other here in Honolulu.I won,t give names since i did not ask permission from either-i just saw this thread now! The one in Amsterdam is Brazilian and there has been some good reports of her on this forum,for anyone who has checked the scene out here in Hawaii the one here is in Waikiki on Kuhio and Kaiulani Av. and had very similiar looks to Nina on the Tromp near Sexyland

My reason for being so sure they are neither forced or have a pimp is that i have gone out partying with both when they are not working and not getting charged for time.I drove to a rave in Dortmund with the Brazilian girl early last month and spent just about the whole day and that trip cost me just the price of an ipod-she liked mine and joked about wanting one,we arrived 9 hrs before the party so there was plenty shopping time.You may be able to get some pictures of her on this site www.mastersofhardcore.nl click on to party pics Oct 8th party.I,m sure the guy that took a few pics of her and us was with the promoter since he had a lot nicer camera than anyone else .Here in Hawaii she invited me for Thanksgiving dinner with her family.If either of the girls were forced or working for a pimp,i don,t think either situation would have occured the way they did.

I did have the courage to ask both girls about this pimp/bf issue and their answers were that a lady in that kind of situation will either not go out with me at all feeling it,s too personal or i will be charged by the hour.

If i may i have 2 off topic questions about Germany.(1) How,s the FKK scene, is English spoken as much as in Holland?I was lucky she spoke German fluently,not much English was spoken in Dortmund.(2)On that trip she mentioned that in Germany there,s a maximum driving age of 57_i,m not all that far away from it,is that true?

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Posted: 2005-11-23, 7:31 pm

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The maximum driving age is bullshit. The FKK scene is less english spoken, but you will be fine.

Two girls who are independant, thats great, but one summer does not make a swallow.

Go over to the "World" board and your FK questions will be answered ad nauseam LOL

Mik
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Posted: 2005-11-25, 12:02 am

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on the OT stuff:

vicgoo,

no maximum age bullshit in Germany. What that girl might have heard is some ongoing discussion to have older drivers go trough a medial checkup periodically to keep their licences valid. As a tourist your license will be good for six months after arrivl. That should do for a holiday ;)

As English being spoken, I second you'll be fine. A lot of girls speak ok English and pretty much all will master the minimum vacabulary to strike the deal. What I have seen though is that if you speak English and appear clueless, some working girl will offer you a tour of the club and to explain how it all works. Now, it might be fine to have naked tour guide, but on the occasions where I have seen it the volunteer tour guide was one of older and less attractive proviers who would - who could blame her for it - try to use to tour to sell you a session with her or even try to monopolise you for the night. Not technically a scam, some guys might even like it, but remember that there is no obligation for you to session her.
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