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Zwarte piet is back!
Posted: 2012-11-19, 7:51 pm

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And yet another idiot trying to make a change to Amsterdam..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkkyiE_hg-k

Its funny because I've got a mate called "black Pete" lol!!

Cheers!

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Re: Zwarte piet is back!
Posted: 2012-11-20, 1:58 am

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The Netherlands is not perfect. It has its own racist history including slave trade and the colonization of South Africa and all that turned into. There is a segment of Dutch current society that is reactionary and anti-immigration.

It's for the Dutch to decide not us, but the history seems to establish that the Zwarte Piet character was originally a black slave. There are worse things that could happen than to reconsider this anachronism.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/holi ... tion_.html

http://www.theroot.com/views/very-racist-christmas

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Re: Zwarte piet is back!
Posted: 2012-11-20, 7:40 am

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I always liked the St.Nickolas/zwarte Piet parade. I haven't seen it in decades, but I still remember it fondly.
It seemed like a kick off to the holiday season, not unlike the Macy's Thanksgiving parade in New York.
It never struck me as controversial. Everyone seemed to enjoy it, particularly the kids.
As a non-native, I guess you never really get all the fine points of holiday celebrations.
I remember being in Tokyo just before Christmas one year, where I saw Santa Claus nailed to a cross in a department store window. I appreciated the salute to Americana, but I didn't have the heart to point out that it wasn't quite right.

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Re: Zwarte piet is back!
Posted: 2012-11-21, 10:40 am

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This guy climbs down chimneys - you want him to be white ?

peace,

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Re: Zwarte piet is back!
Posted: 2012-11-21, 11:17 am

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The linked stories explain that although the chimney excuse is often given it's well established that Zwarte Piet is a slave in the original form.

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