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Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-08-25, 8:43 am

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This is a copy of a message I put on another page but was wondering if anyone has had a similar experience and am I wrong to be a tad miffed at this one


Got a shock on my recent visit to this young lady. Everything about her was fine and I handed over 150 up front not even a discussion, she then had her phone go prior to starting anything. She asked did I want to eat with her as food she had ordered had arrived which I politely declined. After some issue with the delivery man being at the wrong door he finally delivered and again she asked me to join her. I now felt a little guilty in interrupting her meal so said yes. We ate the pizza which was very nice and once all the clearing away and hand washing etc I then laid down. It was right at this point that she said you are out of time so if you want more then it will cost......she must have seen the incredulous look on my face...I just never entertained the thought, if I had only paid 50 then maybe but for 150 and to not even get touched was a real blow because she would have definitely been a many time return...C'est la vie
Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-08-25, 10:46 am

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I've been in a similar situation with an old regular a few times but never been charged for it. However it doesn't really surprise me with the way things are going in de wallen. More and more girls seem to be ripping off punters imo and sadly there's little we can do about it apart from posting it on here or hookers. Cheers
Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-02, 10:39 pm

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Ok but seriously, what would happen if you demanded your money back in this situation? Could you call the police if you wanted to? this is ridiculous.
Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-03, 1:30 am

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lightmeup wrote:
Ok but seriously, what would happen if you demanded your money back in this situation? Could you call the police if you wanted to? this is ridiculous.


Short answer: No. The politie don't want to be bothered. It's a case of let the buyer beware.
Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-03, 2:24 am

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That said, Simona told me a story last time about a guy who'd called the police on a rip off girl. Apparently, this particular girl had had many complaints against her, the police showed up and told her (and keep in mind, this was in the middle of the street in front of Simona's kamer) to either give the guy his money back or take his pants off and blow him on the spot.

So yeah, the police probably won't do anything, which is why these girls do this stuff in the first place, but it does happen sometimes.
Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-03, 3:40 am

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Agnieszka told me you should always report a girl to the police if it's a genuine rip-off. However when they arrive they have no way of knowing who is telling the truth and a crowd is likely to gather and your situation will become very public. In this case Tineke would argue that you were paying for her time and chose to spend it eating pizza when she offered it to you. The police would say you were somewhat naive to expect that time to be off the clock.
The flip side is that many of us have indeed spent time off the clock and more than once I have chatted to girls in their room while they ate a meal or done other things prior to a session beginning. So if it played out exactly as stated I think it was despicable behaviour on her part but you'd get no sympathy from the police.
I hope it was a good pizza because it will certainly be the most expensive one you ever have.
BTW if a girl receives too many complaints they are likely to get chucked out of their room. The owners are terrified of trouble and losing their license.
Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-03, 6:34 am

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i had the same treatment from a very well liked girl on here retired now cant recall the name somthing catchy i went in laid on the bed short time in bang on the door im left laying there then told to go my food is here jencutie i think she was never went back to her maybe just unlucky for me but she should close the window eat and then reopen money grabbing.
Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-03, 1:31 pm

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ams2008dam wrote:
i had the same treatment from a very well liked girl on here retired now cant recall the name somthing catchy i went in laid on the bed short time in bang on the door im left laying there then told to go my food is here jencutie i think she was never went back to her maybe just unlucky for me but she should close the window eat and then reopen money grabbing.

Yes I recall you saying that before. That was Jennifer_Cutie one of the all time greats who turned out to be a common thief when she robbed me in a hotel room after she officially retired. Took my money at the start, went to the corridor to take a phone call and never returned. Reported it to the police and but never heard anything back.
Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-03, 5:51 pm

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grimnul wrote:
That said, Simona told me a story last time about a guy who'd called the police on a rip off girl. Apparently, this particular girl had had many complaints against her, the police showed up and told her (and keep in mind, this was in the middle of the street in front of Simona's kamer) to either give the guy his money back or take his pants off and blow him on the spot.

So yeah, the police probably won't do anything, which is why these girls do this stuff in the first place, but it does happen sometimes.


Did she take the on the spot BJ? xD
Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-04, 11:20 pm

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That was the way it played out George but I think a definite move up the learning curve for me....the thing that bothered me most is I really liked her. Reading your one about JC now that one is despicable
Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-05, 12:42 am

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Most of these women choose this job out of some form of desperation. The sources of that desperation are widely varied, but the true "happy hooker" is quite rare. And when you deal with desperate people you should always be aware that not only are the sources of desperation varied, the ways desperation can be manifested are also varied.

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Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-06, 11:33 pm

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neurosynth wrote:
Most of these women choose this job out of some form of desperation. The sources of that desperation are widely varied, but the true "happy hooker" is quite rare. And when you deal with desperate people you should always be aware that not only are the sources of desperation varied, the ways desperation can be manifested are also varied.

I partly agree with this and I often give girls the benefit of doubt for that very reason. However both Tineke and Jennifer are Dutch (or part Dutch) and I know quite a bit about their backgrounds (not just from them). Both have Moroccan boyfriends and certainly Jennifer's was very controlling. In these situations actions are often very heavily influenced by those boyfriends since the girls are in love with them. The girls however are adults and I don't believe either was threatened with death so I think both are responsible for their actions. I am sure there are many 3rd world countries where prostitutes are true victims and would laugh at these stupid privileged western girls.
Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-07, 1:32 am

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neurosynth wrote:
Most of these women choose this job out of some form of desperation. The sources of that desperation are widely varied, but the true "happy hooker" is quite rare. And when you deal with desperate people you should always be aware that not only are the sources of desperation varied, the ways desperation can be manifested are also varied.



This is not always true. for the vast majority, many will pursue sex work for the fast, easy and very good money. I know girls that are university educated, have had business's, yet choose sex work.
Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-07, 4:21 am

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george47 wrote:
neurosynth wrote:
Most of these women choose this job out of some form of desperation. The sources of that desperation are widely varied, but the true "happy hooker" is quite rare. And when you deal with desperate people you should always be aware that not only are the sources of desperation varied, the ways desperation can be manifested are also varied.

I partly agree with this and I often give girls the benefit of doubt for that very reason. However both Tineke and Jennifer are Dutch (or part Dutch) and I know quite a bit about their backgrounds (not just from them). Both have Moroccan boyfriends and certainly Jennifer's was very controlling. In these situations actions are often very heavily influenced by those boyfriends since the girls are in love with them. The girls however are adults and I don't believe either was threatened with death so I think both are responsible for their actions. I am sure there are many 3rd world countries where prostitutes are true victims and would laugh at these stupid privileged western girls.


Like I said, sources of desperation are varied and desperation can be manifested in varied ways.

Typically these Moroccan "loverboy" pimps are both a source of desperation (the girls are desperate to keep and please them...or in a few cases not get beaten), and a manifestation of a previous desperation (why else would they pair off with such losers in the first place?)

Also this subtlety. Acting out of desperation doesn't necessarily absolve responsibility.

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Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-07, 4:26 am

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Amsterdamaged1 wrote:
neurosynth wrote:
Most of these women choose this job out of some form of desperation. The sources of that desperation are widely varied, but the true "happy hooker" is quite rare. And when you deal with desperate people you should always be aware that not only are the sources of desperation varied, the ways desperation can be manifested are also varied.



This is not always true. for the vast majority, many will pursue sex work for the fast, easy and very good money. I know girls that are university educated, have had business's, yet choose sex work.


"Not always true" which is why I said most...

"The vast majority" goes too far.

What country has swept northern Europe with exported sex workers? Romania. You don't think the conditions in Romania create desperation? I would say nearly every Romanian girl working as a prostitute outside of her country is doing so out of desperation. And that's a huge chunk of current sex workers right there.

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Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-07, 2:08 pm

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What country has swept northern Europe with exported sex workers? Romania. You don't think the conditions in Romania create desperation? I would say nearly every Romanian girl working as a prostitute outside of her country is doing so out of desperation. And that's a huge chunk of current sex workers right there.

I suspect most of that desperation is to have the clothes, cars, houses, media equipment, jewellery etc they see on MTV. I think if any of us had a session with a truly desperate girl we would notice the difference. The body language, mannerisms, lack of talking, lack of interest in what we say and facial expressions (sad fake smiles) would reveal the truth. The worst I see are no different to the bar girl at my pub who "hates" her job and wants to leave like millions of other regular workers.
Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-07, 4:19 pm

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Well it depends, I agree with your stance with likes of EE girls, Romanians, but take the like of the uk escorts, many girls, get educated, yet vouch into sex work? many really don't do it out of desperation, rather for the luxuries, that the salary of the job for them can provide. I once had a conversation with a Romanian girl and I asked, why this? which she went on to inform me, that it was hard to get a job, where she was back Romania and she would earn far less, than what she was currently. she didn't seem or sound desperate, but, I know, if she had a better opportunity, she probably would of taken it.
Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-07, 5:37 pm

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I have to agree with George here. I watched a documentary a while back about webcam girls in Romania, that's huge business over there, they set up houses with a different girl in every room. It's quite common. Not quite the same thing as being a prostitute, but similar idea.

Anyway, the girls would make very good money, but they would still never actually have any money because everything they made, they'd run out and spend right away. There interviewed one of the girls and asked her about this, and she kind of said "oh, this is just what we do in Romania, no one saves money here". So, you have these girls who have tons of expensive clothes and a brand new phone every 6 months, new iPad, all this stuff. But have no money saved up at all, which is why they'd always be doing this webcam stuff. They needed to keep feeding the beast, so to speak.

I imagine with many of the girls in De Wallen, it's a similar situation.
Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-07, 8:39 pm

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I think folks are being overconfident in their ability to know what kinds of deep seated, or even not so deep seated, psychological needs drive these girls. Or in other cases, the depth of poverty they are trying to escape or the effect of having grown up in poverty.

In the first case do you really think they are going to typically reveal themselves to their customers? They are in the business of fantasy, and nothing could be worse for business than to get in the way of that by allowing reality to intrude. You could see one of these girls weekly for a year and not know what her real history, let alone psychological makeup, is.

Stateside there was a girl I was seeing not quite as often as that, but frequently enough to talk about her background and so on. At one point I opined that a lot of working girls were abused earlier in life. She said that maybe that was true, but it wasn't true of her. On a later occasion, now knowing something about her, I had a hunch and out of the blue asked her "so that stepfather of yours...did he ever mess with you when you were a kid?" She hesitated and said "...yes" but then emphatically added "BUT THAT'S NOT WHY I DO THIS!!"

Many of these women can't articulate their desperation because they don't even understand it themselves. In this case she had a desperate need to regain control, power over, her sexuality. Every John was part of a rehearsal to do that. This is why some girls will be so tenacious about what they will or won't do, or how much they charge, or how much they can get away with uncharging. Money is just how they keep score. It's really about having the upper hand and having control.

Or sometimes they pop through to the other psychological extreme. They may have so called "daddy issues" where they are constantly seeking a strong hand, but the result of abuse is such that they can't differentiate between strength and *abuse*. So they hook up with a Moroccan loverboy who keeps them in line.

For others the experience of poverty changes them forever. There is an ongoing desperation due to the experience of a literal existential threat in their past. Once you've gone through that, you're never quite the same. Ask anyone who remembers their grandparents who barely escaped the depression. It leaves a behavioral mark.

Have you noticed that Romanian providers tend to be small? Shorter than average and thin? For many it's simply because there just wasn't that much food in the house. They were literally underfed. This isn't my pet theory, this is what more than one has told me.

So my final question. If becoming a sex worker is simply a rational choice, a way to maximize income with limited effort or training, then why don't more women do it? What is it that causes 99% (almost certainly more) of the female population to never even consider sex work, while a few jump in with both feet? I would say it's because there is a evolutionarily advantageous tendency for women to limit sexual contact. And it takes some kind of unusual external force to overwhelm that tendency.

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Re: Taking the biscuit or should I just accept the pizza
Posted: 2016-09-07, 8:39 pm

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(Another popular source of desperation...drugs.)

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