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More Rip Offs ?
Posted: 2016-10-13, 10:19 am

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Having just looked at the GIRLS section for the first time in a couple of years , i was surprised at the number of red flags warning of rip offs , sometimes as many as 6 in a row , has it really got that bad ?

I will have to be careful on my next trip in November as i planned on seeing new girls i haven't been with

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Re: More Rip Offs ?
Posted: 2016-10-17, 7:32 am

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I think the RLD is in a period of transition where the "standard €50 session" is becoming less and less common, and there are more girls still quoting €50 but charging extra for all kinds of things, as if €50 just gets you in the room.

"€50 for CBJ, or €100 for blowjob and sex" seems to be more and more common at the door, and may be the next standard price point. In my opinion the girls can charge what they like for a session if they think they're hot enough to justify it, but there should be some basic agreed standards of what's included in a session and what's extra. In some ways I prefer to have a hot girl almost to myself because she charges €100 and has fewer customers, compared to a popular €50 girl where you can never find her free without continually patrolling the RLD. The problem is that the extras which shouldn't be extras can become an issue when you aren't expecting them, e.g when you've just paid your €100 and expect a decent session for it, no messing.

I try any new girl who visually appeals to me, I am very fixated on a specific kind of look and this is much more important to me than the quality of the actual session or the sex. Sticking to €50 sessions with known good providers doesn't interest me - unless they are my specific 'type' I don't usually get very aroused. I find that total rip-offs (where you don't get any kind of sex at all) are very uncommon, but some girls will lure you into a kamer having agreed to something basic like €50, naked, touching with a "yes baby" at the door, only to then present their own completely different scheme of prices once you are naked on the bed. In some cases they may be confident of giving you a great time, they are not actually intending to completely swindle you, they intend for you to leave with a very large smile on your face after some genuinely good sex, having gladly paid them a lot more than you originally intended. It wouldn't be so bad if you were walking around with pockets bulging with easy-come-easy-go €50 notes from your amazingly easy well-paid job - these girls may be worth the money in some cases but I think they sometimes assume that everyone who comes to them is rich and can afford to put up with their antics.

One of the red flags I put on there myself was for Angel, Stoofsteeg 10-L, days (N.B this girl's kamer is now displaying a "for rent" sign so I'm not sure if she is actually still working in the RLD). She pulled the stunt of agreeing to €50 for a naked s&f at the door on my first visit and then un-agreeing at the start of the session. It wasn't the case that she was trying to get out of having sex, she just had some very fixed ideas about what she wanted to charge, and wanted to get me in the kamer where she could demonstrate her charms. She was actually fucking great in bed; in terms of value I got a lot of pleasure out of a few expensive sessions with her and I'm not likely to forget them in a hurry even if she doesn't re-appear. Which then puts you in the weird position of recommending girls you have yourself warned people about.....

I don't always agree with Bluto's hard-line stance on €50 sessions, I think a girl can charge what she wants as long as she's honest about it at the door, but I agree it makes no sense to pay as "extras" things that should be included in a standard session, whatever the price of that session is. It does mean I occasionally end up in a €100 session where the girl still has her top on, but I'm not going to pay extra to have it removed, I'll show no interest in it then maybe casually ask her to remove it a couple of sessions later when she's decided I'm a worthwhile repeat customer. Rosie was like this, she would give a short teaser session for €50 and you would be better off with €100 where she would suddenly act like a teenage porn star and greet you like a long-lost lover, albeit with her top on for the first few sessions. She told me she wanted to hold something back to keep people interested in her and get repeat custom, so the top-on business was almost more of an insecurity than a rip-off, she didn't actually attempt to charge extra for it. It seemed a little bit sad to me because she obviously didn't realize just how lovely she was! Of course they would want to come back! But then it's obviously difficult to seriously recommend a girl who is likely to keep her top on for your first few €100 sessions with her.......even though she's gorgeous, really nice and fucks like a teenage porn star.

Some girls just have completely bizarre pricing methods which are totally different to the norm. One of my "favourite rip-offs" (too pricey to be a regular girl, but nice for a "one-off" bucket list session) was Naughty Alex who is still working nights at OzA 117-M (seems to work at the weekends more than early in the week). A very slim temptress who would always have me staring at her perfect ass as I came off the Stoofbrug, she would slyly agree to €50 but then you would find she charged €50 for nudity with touching, €50 for sex, €50 for blowjob, all separate so that you would need to pay €150 for a naked suck and fuck with touching. I stuck to my guns on my first visit, didn't pay more than €50, and ended up being teased by her as she jerked me off while still dressed in her cute little outfit, peeking up her tiny skirt at her panties while she described what I could do to her for more money.... I don't know why but that session was one of the most erotic things I have ever experienced.... maybe just that girl in that outfit. In the end I came back to her the next year, obsessed with the memory of that session, and went for the whole €150 experience, paying in stages to extend the session as I went along. In the end it actually worked out OK because she seemed happy to extend the session allowing everything I had already paid for, so I got a reasonably long session that would have probably cost me €100 at "normal" prices. So that was €50 extra for sheer hotness value and a full exploration of what was under her kinky outfit...

Another awkward girl is Michelle at Oude Kennisteeg 7, dayshift, but she's insanely beautiful with a gorgeous slim figure. Quite restrictive even at €100 (she told me I couldn't cum while I was inside her!), not 100% rip-off, very softly spoken and rather quiet, but somehow makes it very difficult to get a good session. I think I have to imagine my sessions with her as if I was paying for a private room with an extremely beautiful pole-dancer (actually she would probably look great pole dancing), its all about looking and touching (although no pussy touching....). My most erotic session with this girl involved simply touching her bum and jerking off for €50 while she stood in front of me.... simple but very effective in terms of getting aroused by her.

My latest "difficult" acquisition is a petite Spanish brunette at Stoofsteeg 10-M, nights, also by the name of Michelle. Absolutely awesome mean-girl attitude, can be extremely rude at the door, but wow she floats my boat! Quotes €100 for suck and fuck and does stick to it, but then tries to charge extra for everything under the sun, and sticks rigidly to a time limit which feels more like 10 minutes than 15. Has a way of emptying your wallet because you can't resist extending the oh-so-short session. I visited her twice and the second time she just sat right down on my cock in cowgirl position, looked at me with a really dirty expression and told me to fuck her. She looked so good it was unreal..... and she has a fantastic ass. Absolutely atrocious upseller, but again, I'm not going to forget a session like that, ever, even if she kept her sodding top on throughout!

At some point I think I have to admit to myself that I find these beautiful girls with their bad-girl attitudes very enticing, and they can be a lot of fun. I like a mix of bad girls and nice girls, it's lovely to go to a wonderful girl like Elena for a good honest €50 session in the afternoon, and then just pick some really mean, incredibly hot girl to taunt me in the evening, breaking down my resistance and then giving me the kind of fuck i really want....

My main problem with "rip-off" situations is where the girl is just taking advantage of something I didn't explicitly agree at the door, so I'm trying to be more detailed about what I want during negotiations. I do try and avoid paying more than I've agreed, and I don't usually respond to upselling unless its something interesting (e.g you can cum on my tits for an extra €50) but even when all this is agreed, the girl is watching the clock and can time things so that you end up needing to extend with an extra €50 to finish the session. If they keep me amused and aroused I might extend, otherwise I prefer to save my spunk and cut my losses. And even with the most careful negotiation the girl can always simply remember the negotiations differently......... so I don't take it all too seriously. I want to be entertained.

So, yes in some ways things are quite bad, but you just have to turn it all into a bit of a game, trying to play your cards sensibly but not getting too upset when the girl wins! Like I say, these bad girls can be a lot of fun if you give them a chance, its different to the situation where the whole session feels "off" and you just want to forget it and get the hell out. Maybe one sign to look for is the way that the girl listens to you at the door. Is it all, "yes, yes, come in baby, €50", or is she actually listening carefully to your list of demands as though she's ready to stop you when she disagrees? Or some girls respond confidently "of course!" when you ask if they will be naked and let you touch them, because they are professional and it doesn't occur to them that you could do business as a prostitute without allowing something pretty fundamental to the whole experience!

I usually pick my girl depending on what kind of session I want - maybe someone nice who will give me a good time with a nice chat and a gentle fuck, or someone like Rosie who will really fuck me good when I'm horny. If I'm just feeling curious that's a good time to try a new girl, when I won't be so bothered if I end the session without a proper fuck. And sometimes I think I would actually prefer just to have a lapdance, so I went to La Vie En Proost during my trip last week and rather enjoyed myself! I think mongering is still fun, I just treat unknown girls as a bit of unproven entertainment until I know them better. Some of them are so hot, just getting a good look at them is worth paying for.....so look out for these girls when you are prowling the RLD, but don't blame me when you get caught in their nets....

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Re: More Rip Offs ?
Posted: 2016-10-17, 10:04 am

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Thanks for the reply Aldebran , i like most regulars am used to seeing the same girls on each visit who have now all left ,so i need to go back to square one and start doing research .

You make a lot of interesting points about the pricing i actually walked away from Michelle at Oude Kennisteeg 7
at least she was up front about the price , i don't think i would pay €100 for a standard session , it would have to be for a longer session then the standard 15 minutes .

On my next trip i will be looking out for the rip offs, and once again Aldebran thanks for the info.

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Re: More Rip Offs ?
Posted: 2016-10-17, 10:29 am

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Its as you say elgonzo are the girls that require 100 euro offering 15 or 30 minutes for that price?

I wouldnt mind paying 100 for 30 minutes if the girl is nice enough. Like mary for example.
Re: More Rip Offs ?
Posted: 2016-10-18, 4:34 pm

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i actually walked away from Michelle at Oude Kennisteeg 7.
at least she was up front about the price , i don't think i would pay €100 for a standard session


LOL, you probably made a sensible decision, it would have been €100 for a sub-standard session...... you would leave the kamer frustrated by the girl but awed by her beauty.

I rarely trust new girls enough to hand over €100 straight away for a first-time session, it makes me look naive (maybe I am!) and invites upselling. However, I will sometimes agree to €50 CBJ-only if that's all that's on offer (at least the girl is honest that she's not going to fuck you for €50), and get a feeling about whether the girl is worth spending a bit more on next time.

Alternatively, I might extend the session and offer another €50 for sex if I get very turned on during the CBJ. I tend to be shy and awkward on a first-time visit with a girl, so the sex is unlikely to be good even if the girl is. For that reason I don't mind a CBJ too much, I just want to get a good look at the girl and find out what she's like.

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are the girls that require 100 euro offering 15 or 30 minutes for that price?


Good question, one I usually forget to ask.....

In some cases you can agree to €50 for a CBJ, let the girl blow you until the end of the regular 15 minutes, then offer another €50 for sex. If they agree, you've ended up with a session more-or-less 30 minutes long for €100. Some girls will agree to do this - they've already put in the effort to get you hard and horny, so they figure they might as well get another €50 off you. But if you asked for 30 minutes suck & fuck at the door, I'm not sure they would agree upfront!

I actually rarely specifically mention time. With some girls this is a big mistake and you find yourself being upsold after 10 minutes to continue the session, just at the wrong moment! On the other hand I think it can sometimes work to your advantage, where a girl is pretty clear than a standard session is €100, to deliberately avoid mentioning the time, hoping that she gives you an "unhurried" session because she is happy to have a reasonably nice client who pays €100 without bitching about it!

I suppose its a bit weird but I don't actually particularly want a session to be a long one, unless I'm in a privehuis or in an escort-type scenario. In the RLD my fantasy is to have my mind blown by a girl that turns me on so much that the sex is over really quickly, some hot little cutie that can get me off as quickly as if I was a 14-year-old virgin* all over again.

*Or an 18 year-old virgin, or a 21 year-old virgin......tragic times :(

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Re: More Rip Offs ?
Posted: 2016-10-18, 5:18 pm

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Well, I've said before, I think part of the problem is that the old €50 suck and fuck standard session is becoming unsustainable. Cost of living has gone up, there's been significant inflation, I'm sure girls are paying more to rent their kamers, and yet, it's been €50 for decades.

Personally, it doesn't really affect me, because I generally only go for longer sessions and I'm quite careful about who I see, but I think a lot of the locals who are used to €50 sessions need to accept that it's going to change sooner or later. Eventually, it's going to get to the point where girls would need to have upwards of 7 or 8 customers per day, every day, just to break even. I think context matters a lot, though. I'm ok with a girl charging €100 upfront if her service is good. I'm not ok with a girl asking €50, the telling you afterwards that that only includes a blowjob, and anything else is more. That'd be like going to a restaurant that offers a set course menu with an appetizer, main, drink, and dessert, for 30.00, paying the 30.00, then having them bring me the appetizer and tell me the main, drink, and dessert are all an extra 30.00 each. That's just a shitty way to do business, and a good way to piss people off.
Re: More Rip Offs ?
Posted: 2016-10-19, 10:12 am

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I guess in the past i have hit really lucky in that the girls i visited were not rip offs , i kind of got to know them and €50 got me a lot of fun , would i pay €100 for the same 15 minutes with the same girls probably however those girls are gone , i have to find new girls that offer the same service .

I would from a financial view not have as many sessions , i would normally have 10 sessions total €500 which is fine but to pay €1000 with unknown girls unlikely, could i go there and just have 5 sessions that would defeat the object of going to Amsterdam , on this trip i will hopefully find €50 sessions that are fun, i have a few names on my list and hopefully i will continue to have a good time .

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Re: More Rip Offs ?
Posted: 2016-12-10, 9:50 am

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Last trip I went with 10 girls and only one became a real rip off. The ironic thing was that she agreed to 50... once inside i upsold myself to 100 for more time... but then she started surprisingly upselling me for even more. So basically i got less than i should have gotten from a 50 session from a 100 session.

But u win some loose some. Its part of the game. I have had amazing 50 sessions too. My problem is that i sometimes need some time to get hard. So girls that try to rush me and start upselling just get me completely off.
Re: More Rip Offs ?
Posted: 2016-12-10, 6:15 pm

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I think the key here, as many have already mentioned, is to ask for EXACTLY what you want. I've never had anyone lie to me once we agreed on what I would get for my money; When I went to the Dam in '12 the line was: "50 euros, suck and fuck". They all said that. Now it's changed to "50 euros blow job and sex." Whatever the fuck "sex" means. It's like they were all sent out a memo detailing this script change! Lol, because they ALL say that now. So, I ask them specifically what I want: "Are you TOTALLY nude?" Most say, no. "Does this include fucking?" Most say, fucking is 100 euros. There was an amazingly hot woman, we were talking, that's what she said, fucking is 100 euros, so, I just said, "I just want to suck your tits, and get a hand job." AMAZING tits btw. So that's what we did for 50. She was totally cool, I went back for two days to try to find her to fuck her, I think it would have been totally worth 100, but I coudn't find her....anyway, I've never been ripped off, but again, I've been really specific. Enjoy!
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