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Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-04-15, 4:52 am

keith2p11
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I'm finally going back to Amsterdam in June after a 7 year absence, though I previously went 5 times between 2003 and 2010. I'm just wondering what, if anything, has changed since I've been gone. For instance, I've heard there are fewer windows now. Also, I've seen a lot of rip off reports on this forum, but I rarely had problems like that before. I've been with over 100 girls in De Wallen, and only met a few bad apples. Has something changed?

I also see a lot of folks recommending the privies? Is that where the real action is now? Before, there wasn't as much of a selection in the privies as there was in the RLD? Also, what about the weed? I've heard tourists can no longer buy weed legally in Amsterdam? Is that true? If so, how do I get around it? Or maybe I've just heard a bunch of bullshit rumors here is the USA.

What are the prices the girls are charging these days?

What do I need to be aware of since I've been away for a while? Thanks in advance for any heads up anyone wants to offer!
Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-04-15, 11:10 am

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keith2p11 wrote:
Has something changed?

Yes, many windows have closed, so there is less choice now than before, but there is still plenty of choice. One of the biggest changes is that several of the highest rated girls on this forum seem to have disappeared, which I think has contributed significantly to the perception of a decline in the quality of window girls. Personally, I've always preferred prives, so IMHO, so I feel that the declination of the RLD is a little overstated here, but I also feel the RLD was also somewhat overrated in the first place (this is a very subjective thing).


keith2p11 wrote:
I also see a lot of folks recommending the privies?

Depends what you want. Service and value for money is generally much better at prives, which is why they tend to get recommendations. On the other hand, prives have less choice and it seems some (many?) people consider the girls less attractive (not me, however). Park 118 seems to be the gold standard for Amsterdam prives, but you're only likely to see up to ten girls working there when you visit. If you're outside Amsterdam, you can get even better value/service than Park 118; I know several places where you can get 60 minutes with GFE, DFK, DATY, CBJ, multiple positions, cum twice, etc. (and sometimes even more) for €100. (Park 118 girls charge extra for DFK and DATY).

There are also bad/rip-off prives in Amsterdam, such as Asmara, that should be avoided.


keith2p11 wrote:
Is that where the real action is now?

Depends on what you're looking for. Do you value great service or amazing looks more?


keith2p11 wrote:
Before, there wasn't as much of a selection in the privies as there was in the RLD?

This is still very true.


keith2p11 wrote:
Also, what about the weed? I've heard tourists can no longer buy weed legally in Amsterdam? Is that true? If so, how do I get around it?

A "Weed Pass" for Dutch residents was considered at one point, but they never actually went through with it, so you can still buy weed as a tourist without any problems. Just make sure you're carrying ID because they always ask for it now.


keith2p11 wrote:
What are the prices the girls are charging these days?

You can still do a €50 session with a window girl, but many (most?) will try to push for a €100 for a decent experience and I personally find €50 sessions not very interesting.

If you go the prive route, Park 118 is €95 for one hour plus any extras you want (DFK, DATY, BBBJ, anal, etc.). Each extra usually costs between €20 and €50. Having visited two girls there recently, I ended up paying €175 each time in total for one hour with DFK and DATY, but I've heard reports of paying less/more than this depending on the girl.


keith2p11 wrote:
What do I need to be aware of since I've been away for a while?

If you go to the RLD (especially the Wallen), it's best to stick to the known reputable girls to avoid rip-offs or disappointing service (but then, it sounds like you have plenty of prior experience already with the RLD, so I guess you know this).

If you go to a prive, Park 118 is your best bet, and be sure to avoid Asmara. And be aware of the total cost at Park 118 if you're looking for extras.
Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-04-15, 4:57 pm

keith2p11
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Thanks for the info! It sounds like not much has really changed in the last 7 years. Is the Red Light Cafe still open? I used to buy a lot of my weed from there.

Also, it used to be that the best girls were in the Sint Annenstraat area and around the OZV area generally. The rip offs were usually in the OZA area, usually on the far side away from the canal. Is that still true?
Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-04-18, 8:46 pm

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Also, it used to be that the best girls were in the Sint Annenstraat area and around the OZV area generally. The rip offs were usually in the OZA area, usually on the far side away from the canal. Is that still true?


Up to a point, yes. The problem is that the amount of windows in the Sint Annenstraat area has been thinned out quite a bit (Goldbergersteeg closed, only 2 windows open on Bethlemsteeg, several windows closed on Tromp, Dolleb, Sint Annenstraat...) so the action has shifted more towards OzA which is still a bit of a crapshoot - for example see this thread for a random sampling of two OzA girls - Help Identifying 2 girls I visited....

There are some decent girls on OzA - three of my regulars Mary, Rosie and Nicole have their regular windows there, although Rosie has shifted to Sint Annendwarsstraat 1-4 apparently while her regular kamer is out of use.

There are some good providers on Stoofsteeg, personally I like Angel, Elena and Lilly (if I can ever find her free)!

With the OzA girls on nights, €50 will often get you CBJ + upselling, and the girl won't always bother taking her top off! A bit of sensible negotiation might help, some of these girls might give a decent session for €100, but it's hard to know whether you are throwing good money after bad. I usually reserve my OzA visits to unknown girls for when I'm too shagged out to have decent sex, but I'm curious about some total babe who's caught my eye! I found Rosie like this (one of my favourite girls of all time) so it's not all bad.

Part of the issue in the RLD now is that €50 is not worth what it was 7 years ago but it still remains the "standard" price, so instead of price inflation you get a kind of inflation in the amount of upselling and hassle with girls wanting extra for things that are pretty basic (like taking their damn clothes off!). Also "€50 for blowjob, €100 for blowjob and sex" is much more common than it was - some girls are upfront at the door and others only when you are already committed to a €50 session....

It's still fun in the RLD, you can pick some nice girls based on reviews, and some of the unknowns are rather stunning and sometimes worth fucking even if they are prone to upselling - just don't visit unknown girls with high expectations of superb service for €50!

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Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-04-19, 4:49 am

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When I used to visit girls in De Wallen in the past, I would never start with the 50. I'd always begin with 100, and I usually got pretty good service that way, often excellent service. I learned after my very first visits to the window girls that 50 mostly just gets you in the door.

I always found girls of some ethnic backgrounds offered better service than others. The Western European and Asian girls seemed to be the best, the Eastern Europeans a little less so, and the Africans tended to be the worst. The Latin Americans and Russians were a mixed bag.

What about the Red Light Cafe? Is that still open? If not, what's the best place to get weed nowadays in De Wallen?
Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-04-19, 8:38 am

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If it's a new girl I'll always go in at 50e... and then if they upsell another position for 20e it's not the end of the world.

If it's a girl I've seen before and she's worth it then I'll go in at 100e.
Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-04-23, 11:26 am

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keith2p11 wrote:
When I used to visit girls in De Wallen in the past, I would never start with the 50. I'd always begin with 100, and I usually got pretty good service that way, often excellent service. I learned after my very first visits to the window girls that 50 mostly just gets you in the door.

I always found girls of some ethnic backgrounds offered better service than others. The Western European and Asian girls seemed to be the best, the Eastern Europeans a little less so, and the Africans tended to be the worst. The Latin Americans and Russians were a mixed bag.


That for me is the reason why the Wallen has lost its shine. The Western European i.e. Dutch and German girls have all but gone. There was an influx of good providers from Eastern Europe mostly Poles and Czech but they have seemed to thin out as well and they have been taken over by girls from Eastern-Eastern Europe; countries such as Romania. The service that your average Romanian provides isn't close to that of a Dutch girl.

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Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-04-23, 4:29 pm

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I really wonder why though, why the romanian girls in general provide a lower quality service. Do you think trafficking can be a reason?
Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-04-30, 10:01 am

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I really wonder why though, why the romanian girls in general provide a lower quality service. Do you think trafficking can be a reason?

I don't think that it would be due to trafficking as Romanian girls are free to live and work in the EU. As the "lover boy" type pimp is more prevalent in countries like Romania, it might be more to do with them being 'pressured' into working. Having said that, I have read that Romanian working girls have a bad reputation in other EU countries as well, so it can't be just down to being pressured to work in the windows.

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Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-04-30, 5:01 pm

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I really think it just comes down to them having a tendency to be more businesslike. They're all about the money. The reason they're there is because they can make so much more money in a relatively short period of time than they could doing anything else in Romania, and it's accessible because of the EU. As a result, they tend to be more prone to rip offs and poor service because to their mind, they won't be working that long and it's better to get as much money as they can from each customer for the least effort possible.

That's not to say they're all bad, of course, but even Ella, who is a fantastic girl, is a very shrewd businesswoman if you've ever talked to her about any of that kind of thing. She simply understands that she can do much better for herself by having regulars and providing a good level of service, and understands that even tourists are not necessarily one-timers. She's very smart about her money.
Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-05-01, 11:11 am

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grimnul wrote:
I really think it just comes down to them having a tendency to be more businesslike. They're all about the money. The reason they're there is because they can make so much more money in a relatively short period of time than they could doing anything else in Romania, and it's accessible because of the EU. As a result, they tend to be more prone to rip offs and poor service because to their mind, they won't be working that long and it's better to get as much money as they can from each customer for the least effort possible.


I'm not sure that entirely explains it. Many of the Poles and Czech's that arrived had a similar mentality of only being there for a few months to earn as much money as possible before returning home, but at the same time they were good providers.

I'm probably going to get shot-down for this, but the only thing that I can think of is that the further South- East you go in Europe the belief in the "Protestant" work ethic diminishes.

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Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-05-01, 4:46 pm

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Well, to be fair to you, I do have a good buddy of mine who does a lot of travelling. He did a 2 year tour across Europe, Asia, and the Middle East a while back, and he told me that Romania was the laziest country he'd ever been to. He said you'd go to a restaurant and they'd just be on their phone and ignore you until they were done, or you'd go to the train station and they'd only have one booth open and the other employees would be standing around smoking.

Couldn't say if this is true myself, never been to Romania, but this is what I was told by my very well-travelled friend. I suppose you may be on to something.
Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-05-01, 9:23 pm

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When I used to visit girls in De Wallen in the past, I would never start with the 50. I'd always begin with 100, and I usually got pretty good service that way, often excellent service. I learned after my very first visits to the window girls that 50 mostly just gets you in the door.


This is fine if you are happy to spend €100. There are some girls who will be constantly trying to upsell you at €50 but are great at €100 - for example Angel is like this - a waste of time at €50 but good at €100. Some girls however will string out the upselling even beyond €100... naughty Alex springs to mind or the teasing Michelle (Stoofsteeg 10 nights) mentioned in my October trip report. These kind of girls will fuck you eventually but they will upsell you relentlessly for various elements that you would expect to be included in a standard session! Possibly they might behave themselves if offered a generous sum for, say, an hour, but I don't know....

I think it's actually quite rare to find a girl who does not intend to have sex with you *at all* for any price; I think some of the girls are simply aware that they are very hot and prefer to deal with customers who have deep pockets and are prepared to shell out wads of cash to fuck a total babe. Some others are just generally poor and have a strategy of making the session so awkward that you eventually give up, e.g a crap blowjob followed by upselling you on things you already paid for five minutes ago, endless restrictions, condom-holding, a sudden announcement that your time is up after 5 minutes and so on....

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The service that your average Romanian provides isn't close to that of a Dutch girl.


The only Dutch girls I can recall visiting in the RLD were Sem (a.k.a Esmeralda) and of course Lilly, but in general it seems like a different era (my first visit was 2007 when EE girls were already common). I've found that Romanian girls have given me pretty decent service on the whole; my all-time favourite was very conscientious about giving good service - e.g. if you paid for 30 minutes she would set an alarm and that is exactly what you would get! One of my favourite prive girls was Romanian; she was great and really worked hard.

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I'm probably going to get shot-down for this, but the only thing that I can think of is that the further South- East you go in Europe the belief in the "Protestant" work ethic diminishes.


Almost by definition there isn't a "Protestant work ethic" in Catholic countries in southern Europe, or Orthodox countries in eastern Europe. In somewhere like Romania you wouldn't expect great service from staff in state-run services (like the railways) who may have been there since communist times, or inherited the work ethos of former times. On the other hand I've been to Bucharest and one characteristic of the service there is that there is perhaps almost still a kind of deference to foreigners who are perceived as coming from more sophisticated countries that the Romanians are trying to emulate. Service in restaurants e.t.c was pretty good, prices were cheap, tips were appreciated (I still remember the beaming smile from one cute teenage waitress!), even the much-feared taxi drivers were fine. Visit Starbucks in Bucharest and you could be pretty much anywhere in western Europe........ visit some tiny town in the countryside or engage with the state bureaucracy and it might be a bit different! I thought intermittent service in restaurants was a Dutch speciality anyway ;)

One girl that stands out for good service is Elena on Stoofsteeg. I think she's from the Moldovan part of Romania. She's not an "anything goes" type of girl (more like a very hot, very friendly girl next door) but she's very conscientious about giving you a good time for €50 - as she explained it, €50 is a lot of money where she comes from, so she tries to do a good job rather than upsell you for extra cash. Maybe it depends what kind of session you want, but in general I've found Romanian girls to be pretty good at giving a standard suck & fuck.... and very hot, too!

Another thing I've noticed is that the girls who provide genuinely poor service often tend to be very creative about their origins, so it's hard to be sure where they're from....

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Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-05-05, 12:52 am

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Speaking of Prague, anything cool you've come across recently? Heading there in early autumn.
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Posted: 2017-05-16, 2:42 pm

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Strip clubs: Gold Fingers, absolutely incredible with absolute stunners but it is pricy
K2 relax: hands down the best brothel in Czech Republic with a wide wide variety at a very affordable price
Escorts: Victoria elite (google it); had a session with Victoria sweet the porn star, rly surprised at how cheap it was and thought it would have been a scam (the "cheap" is relative to Amsterdam prices for similar services)
Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-05-20, 12:21 am

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keith2p11 wrote:
I'm finally going back to Amsterdam in June after a 7 year absence, though I previously went 5 times between 2003 and 2010. I'm just wondering what, if anything, has changed since I've been gone. For instance, I've heard there are fewer windows now. Also, I've seen a lot of rip off reports on this forum, but I rarely had problems like that before. I've been with over 100 girls in De Wallen, and only met a few bad apples. Has something changed?

I also see a lot of folks recommending the privies? Is that where the real action is now? Before, there wasn't as much of a selection in the privies as there was in the RLD? Also, what about the weed? I've heard tourists can no longer buy weed legally in Amsterdam? Is that true? If so, how do I get around it? Or maybe I've just heard a bunch of bullshit rumors here is the USA.

What are the prices the girls are charging these days?

What do I need to be aware of since I've been away for a while? Thanks in advance for any heads up anyone wants to offer!


Things have changed in AMS, one thing I noticed is more people are in the Red Light not visiting the women, but looking to see who does. Not that there are many women around in any case. In fact by midday, there is few women around, but count for yourself as I have seen comments that it is as busy as always.
Re: Returning to Amsterdam after 7 years! Any advice?
Posted: 2017-05-23, 12:26 am

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Thanks for the info. How much was Victoria Sweet? Any extras included?
I tend to be a budget-minded monger.
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