I don't really know anywhere else to discuss this:

I have a girlfriend and two kids. I've never been to a hooker before and I'd like to before I'm married. This will involve deception.

I have a business trip, as I do once or twice a year, to the US. I always go through Amsterdam's airport because it's convenient and actually a very nice airport. I've been into the city once during the day but didn't do any interesting sightseeing.

I have four possible modes:

A) Don't do it. Be cool man.
Pros: No chance of getting caught at something
Cons: No suckyfucky.

B) Book a long layover in AMS.
I can book a 5:45 layover during the late morning/early afternoon and book time with an escort.

Pros: Low suspicion, one high quality (hopefully) experience.
Cons: Only one experience, rushed, and the long layover looks slightly suspicious.

C) Book a late, short connection through AMS and quietly rebook the connection to the next day so I can spend the night in the city.

Pros: One long night of extreme debauchery, no rushing, access to the RLD at night, multiple girls.
Cons: High suspicion, partly due to the nature of Amsterdam and how unlikely it is to be delayed overnight.

D) Book a late, short connection through a different city, (Brussels, Berlin, Frankfurt) and make use of FKK with the same overnight scheme as C.

Pros: One long night of extreme debauchery, no rushing, multiple girls, slightly lower suspicion due to it not being Amsterdam.
Cons: Still pretty suspicious because it's unlikely usually to be delayed overnight.

My girlfriend trusts me pretty dang well, and with (usually) very good reason. I have my reasons and I'm not looking for judgement there. I have multiple investment accounts that I can syphon a 1000 euros or so out of without chance of detection, and I can easily make space in my schedule for this.

I'm looking for some advice on how to pull this off with the least suspicion. I'm also interested what the best city with flight connections to the US would be (Amsterdam, Brussels, Berlin, Frankfurt) for debauchery.

Thanks for the advice in advance,
Mushy

What I would do, if possible, is stay overnight in Amsterdam and get an escort from Society Service. If you're only gonna do it once, that's your safest bet. There's some good fun to be had in De Wallen, but it's fast food sex, if you take my meaning. If you're only gonna do it one time, then you want to spring for the fancy restaurant.

Rather than going with the "I got delayed" story, I'd say your flight was overbooked and you got bumped and couldn't get another flight until the next day. That seems more plausible, plus if, for whatever reason, your girlfriend checks the flight status online, it doesn't fuck your story by showing that the flight wasn't delayed. Schipol is a very busy airport, a good portion of the time, when I fly out of there, my flight is fully booked. It's not that unlikely that all the other flights that day are full.

Just book through a throw away gmail account that you can delete after, and tell no one what you did. It never happened. You're in a different country, no one knows you, the only way anyone back home can learn what you did is if you tell them.

So no sense in trying other cities? Is Amsterdam as good as it gets as far as airport hubs?

I figured if I was staying the whole night I could make a whole tour of the RLD, hit Park 118 and the window girls and go for a crazy assortment of new girls. I kind of want to fill my spank bank for the long term so a big variety is more to my liking?

That's why I kind of liked the idea of Artemis in Berlin... a club with gorgeous girls wandering around like a buffet. A taste here and there, as it were.

Mushy

I couldn't tell you about other cities, I only really know Amsterdam. Amsterdam does have a huge leg up in terms of accessibility, though. You could do both. You could hit De Wallen for a couple hours in the afternoon, then back to the hotel to shower and such before your escort arrives. The reason I say Society Service is because they are a really good, reliable agency. I've heard from people who monger all over the world say that Society Service is one of the best they've ever used. You would need to book at least a 4 star hotel or do I call at one of their locations, but their service really is top-notch.

Why complicate things. Just tell your wife you want to sightsee Amsterdam for a day or so (there is more to the city than hookers and weed you know). I take it you are allowed off the leash now and again :-)

Visit a girl or two, buy a nice present for wife, ride a bike, take a tram, shoot many photos.

Job done.

I'm also of the opinion of Alice, if that would work out for you - 95% truths because 5% is much easier to hide. It would be psychologically calmer for you too; if you only need to hide 5% from yourself while talking to others - as though that 5% just never happened.

Amsterdam is such an amazingly cool city in so many facets; there are so many valid reasons as excuses or even reasons as reasons to reside in the city other than the RLD. In fact, consider two days or three to see other Dutch cities as well.

As for a rather nice present for your girlfriend, a present (something Dutch, maybe Delft ... a vase, for example) does wonders to deviate a woman's mind - whenever you might need to do that...

Based on the shear insight of her advice, Alice is apparently a woman of extraordinary perception...

Cheers,

... Eric

p.s. my wife finds me online, she's good at that - I probably just tainted any 5% chance I might ever need... call it a sacrifice for the team (on the other hand, I'm sure I wouldn't ever need 5% anyway; we already have enough vases ;-) – Darling, I’m teasing).

I've done the layover trip to Amsterdam several times, but I don't recommend it.
Too many things can go wrong, you end up rushed and frustrated, and that is just not the way a trip to Amsterdam should be. You should be relaxed and happy. Even if you know your way around, it can feel like a chore.
Spend a few days, get a bike (don't crash), make friends at a coffeeshop, and meet a few very interesting women.
Now THAT is something you will remember for a long time.
I wouldn't recommend the other cities on your list for a quick night of fun. They are all bigger, and have more problems with delays and missed connections. I used to live near Frankfurt, and have many terrible stories about the airport. Brussels is on elevated security since the bombing last year. Berlin is just huge. None have the charm of Amsterdam.
If you must connect elsewhere, consider Bonn, Cologne or Dusseldorf, and spend a night at one of the famous FKK's in the NRW. Not a smuch fun as Amsterdam, and intimidating for a first time visitor, but not a bad way to spend an evening.

Weasel

I like where your heads are at. You pretty much nailed my thoughts/concerns.

Sadly "just taking a day in Amsterdam" is completely out of character for me and it would actually be less suspicious to pretend to be bumped off a flight. I attempted to call the airline three times to ask if a particular flight was overbooked and they said "unfortunately..." every time. So in the unlikely case of suspicion I can tell her to call the airline. Extreme suspicion i can tell her to check my bank account by providing passwords. It's foolproof in that respect.

Thanks for the advice on other cities than Amsterdam. I was pretty sure this was the case: Amsterdam is the hooker city. These others are just dabblers.

SS i think is out of my specific budget. I want to get in with 4 or 5+ through the day and be high for it all. Ss seems like it would hold me to 2 or 3 and I wouldn't feel as comfortable doing drugs.

Quality over quantity my friend. A window girl is good fun. A girl from Society Service is something you'll remember forever. Have you ever wanted to be with a woman out of a movie? You know the type, the incredibly elegant, beautiful, sophisticated woman who's drinking martinis in a casino with James Bond? That's Society Service.

Does SS do OWO? Or Courtesan Club? Or is it a case by case "Your results may vary" situation?

None of the high-end agencies allow OWO. It's not terribly common with window girls either, especially for a first-timer. It's generally not exactly advertised.

Courtesan Club is great. I would recommend them as well as SS.

As for your issue, you are over thinking this. Dont tell her anything. Just book the last flight out of your home airport and take the first flight out of AMS in the morning. Book the Hilton airport hotel. I wouldn't tell her anything. If she asks, say this is what worked best. If she is still bothering you about it, you may need to have a bigger conversation pre-marriage.

Is it possible wit a business trip, that you are meeting someone for business in Amsterdam before heading to the USA? Or that it's a potential customer etc?

... However you play it out (we'd all like to know after the fact), have a process you can repeat (it may become your character – as to not be out of character)... Amsterdam has a tendency to become highly addictive; and based on their proceedings, many contributors to this forum are apparently of the same opinion ;-)

Cheers,

... Eric

- of course, best of luck; but as rglass reflects, play it out as smoothly and luck is something you won't even need.

p.s. it is fun to contemplate the life of another, thank you.

There is another consideration here which does not appear to have been mentioned.

If you do take a punt, how will you feel afterwards? It's not just about deception and keeping the 5% to yourself, but how would you live with it moving forwards?

Mongering, punting, shagging hookers is highly addictive. It could lead you onto the glorious path of fulfilling all those sexual desires or it could simply fuck things up for you, the girlfriend and even the relationship with the whole family.

Depends on your character too, are you one to have a good time and not feel any guilt/remorse afterwards or would you be dwelling on your guilt forever more?

Decisions, decisions...

Pick option A if you think guilt will weigh heavily enough on you that you might ever need to confess. That would be the worst thing for you and your GF. As for B, if you can only manage a 5 hour stopover, I don't think it's worth it. How much time does that actually leave you after immigration, security screenings, and travel from/to the airport?

I agree that you are overthinking your excuse. Keep it simple. Business takes me through AMS or another EU city once or twice per year and I take a few days to enjoy it when I do. My angle is that I love to visit Amsterdam for the museums, canals, bike riding, people, parks, weed (& finally mongering). I freely share all but the last with my SO and promise (and intend) to share the city with her one day. Your GF should have no problem with it. Be sure to get her a nice gift and tell her about (almost) all the great things you will have done there.

I would strongly suggest at least one overnight if not two. Definitely allow time and budget for more than one girl. Even with SS you can miss (I did, once out of five times). You don't want to ruin your entire effort because you put all your eggs in one basket. This is what makes an FKK so great. You don't have to walk around the RLD for hours hoping to see someone you like. Sit with a drink and watch the girls parade by - already naked. Depending on your stamina, you could get 2, 3, 4, or more different girls in a matter of hours with a shower and a spa treatment in-between. "What did you do in Berlin?" "Oh, I went to the Historical Museum and had a massage." Still there is something special and exciting about the AMS RLD and I'm glad to have both options. Punting aside, Amsterdam really is one of the greatest cities in Europe to visit, plus I like to get high where it's legal.

I would just say that at the time I booked the tickets I could save, say, $500 by having a 24 hour layover in AMS. Checking this after the fact will be almost impossible as ticket prices bounce around continuously.

If grilled by a highly suspicious person convinced you are "hiding something" you could (after some resistance) "confess" to going to some coffee shops and getting very very high.

I would say that your reasoning for doing this would form a large part of the advice given.

For instance, if you are thinking of going with a hooker because you want to experience sex with a beauty who has excellent skills, then a quick 50e fuck and suck in the Wallen isn't really going to meet your expectations.

Even it is to experience fucking a stunner, to have the best sex ever, to experience sexual practices that you haven't tried before etc I can't really think of any one session that I've had with a hooker (and I've been with plenty that tick those boxes) that I would trade for to be a loving relationship with a women that want's to commit to staying with me for the rest of her life.

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