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Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2017-12-20, 6:54 pm

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I should say, the first time I visited Amsterdam, before I found this site, was 2013, so not terribly long ago. I had done essentially zero research outside of some very cursory googling and knew basically nothing other than 15 minutes usually costs €50. I picked girls basically at random based solely on how they looked, and I managed to only really have one session that I walked away from feeling ripped off. I did admittedly get upsold a fair bit, but even today I’m generally going for 150-200€ sessions anyway, so it didn’t bother me a whole ton at the time.

I honestly do feel like the ill sentiment about De Wallen is a bit overblown. It could be because I am relatively new to the scene and didn’t know what it was like in the 90’s/early 2000’s, or that I haven’t been to too many other places so I don’t have much of a point of comparison, but judging solely on its own merits, I do have a lot of fun in De Wallen every time I go. I suppose if you’re only looking for cheap, quick sessions and want to visit multiple girls in one day, it might not be so ideal, but if you’re like me and want one longer session per day, usually it doesn’t seem to be an issue. It really does seem to be quite rare to pay 150€ or 200€ or whatever and not get a good time. (I should point out here, however, my expectation is that I’m getting 45 minutes to an hour for that, so I’m not one of the dumbasses driving prices up for 15 minute sessions)

Like I said before, it’s all pretty subjective and really depends on what you want out of it. To me, it’s still very much worth visiting.
Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2017-12-20, 9:57 pm

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Yes, I agree with all that choosing girls is highly subjective. (Responding here to everyone.)

But that's exactly why I've come up with a rating system that is based simply on the number of girls *you* are likely to find to *your* liking.

So while all the texture above is appreciated, I wish folks would apply *their own* subjectivity, and tell me how many girls to *their* liking they typically find on a walkabout in De Wallen.

If anyone wants to toss out *their* number I'd appreciate it.

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Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2017-12-20, 10:01 pm

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Well, I have at least 5 or 6 regulars. Aside from that, on a typical day, probably dozens.
Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2017-12-21, 12:45 am

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Wallen 15-20, but many of those will absolutely fail the interview. Better service on day shift, more stunners at night.
Duisberg 12-15
Antwerp 10-12
Alkmaar 8-10, but most will offer some sort of really nice extra, and service strarts at 35Euro
Pijp 4-6, again with "service with a smile"
SIngel 3-5, same as above

Remaining smaller RLD's 0-2 Groningen, Leuwarden....

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Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2017-12-22, 10:44 pm

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Thanks for those numbers guys. It sounds like they are close to current ratings if interviews would cut those numbers down, although weasel9x9's Leeuwarden count is somewhat lower than what I hear from others. Not disputing it...just an observation.

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Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2017-12-24, 6:34 am

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My last Leuwarden visit was 18 months ago, daytime on a saturday.
I would expect more rooms would fill in the evenings.
Oddly high number of MILF Latinas, which I did not expect.
Years ago, there were some magnificent Dutch and German girls.

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Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2017-12-30, 12:41 am

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grimnul wrote:
See, this is the thing that makes stuff like this tricky. Different people have different things they want out of this sort of thing. Some people don’t really care that much about performance, as long as they get to fuck a 10. Some people don’t have a problem paying extra money, so cost isn’t too relevant a consideration for them. In this regard, in my experience, you’ll very rarely get a completely awful session in Amsterdam, it’s just a matter of cost. Some girls won’t give you a good time unless you’ve dropped like €300 on them. There are those girls who are just committed to being miserable bitches no matter how much money you give them, but they’re definitely the outliers. Theoretically, if you had unlimited money and didn’t care about price, De Wallen would give you a pretty great time.

I guess it really all depends on what a person’s expectations and desires are. I would say in regards solely to the attractiveness of the women without regards to cost, De Wallen would definitely have to be considered top-notch, personally.

The whole thing is pretty subjective, really.


Spot on.
Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2017-12-30, 1:14 am

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Of course the whole thing is subjective. That's why I, in effect, merely ask "how many girls did you find to your liking?" If at location X the average is 6 girls, and at location Y the average is 2 girls, and you had to choose, wouldn't it be reasonable to choose X over Y?

The alternative quickly explodes into a multidimensional questionnaire for both the guys' preferences and what was found.

I think what I've come up with gives a good first approximation. Of course, I would wouldn't I?

;)

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Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2018-01-06, 7:50 pm

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neurosynth wrote:
So my solution was to ask a simple question: on a typical visit if a guy made a pass through the RLD on a typical day and time, how many girls to his liking ("do-able" girls) would he find? Then I would demote RLDs that had specific acute problems with ripoffs. Except in extreme cases I've mostly ignored price and menu, except to consider that as a fuzzy part of a guy seeking girls "to his liking."

***** World Class - usually 6+ to your liking
**** Very Good - usually 3 to 5 to your liking
*** Good - usually 1 or 2 to your liking
** Fair - you might find someone
* Poor - don't try, rip-offs and/or low quality
(no rating) Rating unknown so it might be great, or it might be terrible.

So this isn't an unflawed system, but I've yet to see one that isn't. The point is a typical guy, and most guys are inexperienced, could at a glance get an impression of how many girls he will find to his liking. That's a bottom line for a lot of guys I think.

A "girl to my liking" is one who offers GFE, DFK and DATY (amongst other things), so based on this system, Amsterdam scores one star for me, or perhaps two if we're including the Singel RLD.

Also, I think a better system would be one that describes a guy's chance of walking away from a single encounter with the highest possible satisfaction, and again, Amsterdam would score rather low in that respect.
Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2018-01-07, 12:07 am

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I would agree that if "GFE, DFK and DATY (amongst other things)," are requirements De Wallen is going to (mostly) come up short. But RLDs tend to come up short for more jaded customers anyway, especially those needing nothing less than BB services. On the other hand there are lots of guys who are just fine with a restricted menu.

Even by your standards I'd not give AMS a single star, which I see as a sort of death penalty. Maybe I should start leaving comments about the local limits culture. e.g. for De Wallen something like "beware of occasional rip-offs, and expect difficulty in finding GFE services like DFK, BBBJ, etc."

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Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2018-01-07, 1:13 am

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neurosynth wrote:
Even by your standards I'd not give AMS a single star, which I see as a sort of death penalty.

I live close enough that I can literally visit Amsterdam RLD any day I like. I think the last time I had a session in De Wallen was several years ago with Max, and that was only because of her outstanding reputation on this forum. Before that, I can't even remember my last Wallen session (I had a few some years ago).

Given that I can visit Amsterdam RLD pretty much any time I want, and I "don't try", doesn't that make it a single star? Your rating system describes the single star rating using the words "don't try", and I really don't see any reason to try for anything in De Wallen.

Not to suggest that it's impossible for me to find a great experience in De Wallen, but when there's a 95%+ probability that I'm going to be thinking "I should've gone to Park 118 instead" after a session, then it seems like De Wallen might have some serious problems for someone like me?

Your two star description says "you might find someone", which might technically be accurate, but the probability seems so low that "don't try" (one star) seems more applicable to my circumstances.
Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2018-01-07, 1:22 am

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See, I think there needs to be some metric for price involved here. Again, if you’re willing to spend a fair bit, you’ll almost always have a good time in De Wallen. Maybe we need to adjust the ratings to include an estimate of approximately how much you’d need to spend to likely have a good time.
Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2018-01-07, 1:47 am

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Yes, I suppose if I throw €300 at the right girl in De Wallen, I might have an experience that compares with some of my best privehuis encounters, but why would I even try when there are so many more favourable options so close by?

Earlier tonight, I wrote a report in "Other Cities" about my recent visit to Kim, a (relatively) unplanned one hour session at a privehuis that turned out to be outstanding. What amount of cash (and luck) do I need to get an equivalent experience in De Wallen? €300? €500? €1,000? More? Is it even possible? The fact that I even consider "is it even possible" a reasonable question to ask should hopefully go some way to explain my view of De Wallen, and why for me, it is a one-star option.
Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2018-01-07, 3:18 am

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Well, of course, but again, it depends what you want. Some people are perfectly happy having a somewhat mechanical session with an absolute stunner. I’ve said it before, but personally, I see De Wallen as “fast food” compared to the “fine dining” of, say, a Society Service girl. In this regard, I’m able to enjoy both. If I go to a fast food place, I don’t expect a Michelin Star meal, I just expect something quick and tasty that’ll fill my belly. Just my perspective on it.

I think we need a little perspective here; most of us here are relatively seasoned “pros” in this field. What’s going to be considered acceptable service to us is going to be different compared to someone who’s not so knowledgeable. If you don’t do this stuff often, a typical De Wallen session might be more than satisfactory.
Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2018-01-14, 12:01 pm

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jimmy_nova wrote:
Given that I can visit Amsterdam RLD pretty much any time I want, and I "don't try", doesn't that make it a single star? Your rating system describes the single star rating using the words "don't try", and I really don't see any reason to try for anything in De Wallen..


Yeah I guess in your case it's one star. But I have to average that in with other opinions for the rating on the map.

Also for many RLDs I try to list the cost or comment on services.

If Amsterdam is no longer the RLD window prostitution benchmark, which RLD should be?

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Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2018-01-14, 12:04 pm

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grimnul wrote:
I think we need a little perspective here; most of us here are relatively seasoned “pros” in this field. What’s going to be considered acceptable service to us is going to be different compared to someone who’s not so knowledgeable. If you don’t do this stuff often, a typical De Wallen session might be more than satisfactory.


The irony is I avoid RLDs (both windows and eros centers) all together. FKK's and the occasional gangbang party are my thing now. If I happen to be in a town with an RLD I'll check it out. But it's under the assumption that I probably *won't* be seeing anyone unless someone is really unique.

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Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2018-01-14, 12:05 pm

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So if Amsterdam is no longer the benchmark, which RLD is?

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Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2018-01-29, 1:08 am

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neurosynth wrote:
So if Amsterdam is no longer the benchmark, which RLD is?


If you really want to screw - or whatever else floats your erotic boat with - your individual top 10 looking girl, I really don't know where else on earth you can go...

As a consequence of nature's diversity, only the vast selection of stunning women Amsterdam has to offer can satisfy most people's search to find whatever it is they're looking for... My humble opinion, Amsterdam is the de-facto RLD standard.

I'd like to add, ignatzmice is my favorite web site; I'm honored to be able to contribute when the discussion gets this cool. The present one is such a fundamental topic; it mimics the anthropological question: "What do human males who are experts in the field look for when they're choosing the best sex they're willing to pay for..."

Neurosynth, my suggestion: try out the system you've defined and see what the resulting ratings look like - later ask the other fine members of our board to judge how they then feel about the results...

... Eric
Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2018-01-29, 1:42 am

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Thanks for the feedback. Actually the system I describe has been in use for several years on the map annotations for the map linked below. My recent questioning is due to the perceived decline of De Wallen.

At this point I think the solution is to stick with the current rating system, but to add a bit more to the commentary. For example, I'd keep the high star rating for De Wallen, but add comments that BBBJ and DFK and LFK are not at all the default, and may even be difficult to find.

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Re: Which, if any, RLDs are better than the De Wallen in Amsterdam?
Posted: 2018-01-29, 5:54 pm

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I visit Amsterdam anywhere between 3 and 6 times a year and have since my first visit in 1979, when I was 18 years old.
In De Wallen in the 80's and 90's it really was a lot easier to find girls who give good service and are not rip offs.
Not to mention how easy it was to find BBBJ's and DFK. The vibe was way better too, well at least for me it was.
I'm sure my age during the 80's and 90's compared to today plays a big part in how I feel.
In those days i would visit at least 3 girls a day, sometimes 4 or 5.
For the last 5 or 6 years I haven't been to De Wallen on any of my visits.
For a few reasons:
1: I now rarely have more than 1 session a day, almost always during the day, not nights.
2: I don't like the vibe anymore, I can't quite put my finger on what exactly it is that I don't like, it's just the feeling I get, the overall vibe. Large groups of tourists don't help either.
3: I usually visit girls that I have known for some time in the Singel RLD, and occassionally De Pijp, safe bets if you like. I know I'm going to get exactly what I'm looking for.
4: If I'm after a session longer than 30 minutes, I invite escorts to the apartments I rent while I'm there, as I find that way more comfortable than spending an hour or 2 in a small kamer.

I know that there are still good sessions to be had in De Wallen, but it's just not for me anymore.
So for me personally, both the Singel and De Pijp are better than the De Wallen.
To be honest, I don't spend very much time in Centrum at all, I much prefer other areas that are much less tourist oriented.
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