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No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-07-29, 10:48 pm

peter craig
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... o-13000278
Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-07-30, 1:11 am

grimnul Power Kat
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Seems like more alarmist bullshit. Probably just the usual anti-prostitution/drug propaganda. “Oh, well, they have this area full of drugs and hookers, what do they expect will happen?”. Just more regressive leftist types trying to manipulate the narrative.
Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-07-30, 4:35 pm

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We are leaving for Amsterdam this week , we have seen this before but never felt threatened . The Brits do get drunk and argue and fight among themselves . Used to have people offer to sell us drugs on the street .
Often see the kids on the scooters raising hell , but this is easily stopped .

I have always felt the Dutch police have had everything under control , I hope this still holds true . If not adios amigos.

Hell sometimes we get loud when we are drunk but want to harm nobody.
Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-07-30, 5:22 pm

grimnul Power Kat
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Oh, I’ve seen the drunk brits and scooter kids too. Never felt like they were dangerous. The article even tacitly admits that. It talks about hundreds of offenses a night, then lists such atrocities as shouting, peeing in public, and taxis operating without a permit. The drug sellers you can just ignore, they tend to leave you alone if you don’t express any interest. As for street racing... well, anyone who’s been to De Wallen at night knows that’s bullshit. It’s too crowded to walk half the time, much less race.
Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-07-30, 8:24 pm

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Why would anyone believe anything printed in the Mirror? This is a bullshit article, clearly pitched for political reasons.
Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-07-31, 5:00 am

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Most of the comments were from the city ombudsman.
I don't know if any authority comes with that title, but it seems that the solutions would start with more action on his part. If he is a city official, and he is whining about the police not taking any action, what does that say about his management skills?
Don't bitch in the press, dude. Have the police make more arrests. How hard is that?

I've been visiting for almost 40 years. Amsterdam is about as clean and docile as I have ever seen it.
Almost sterile in some areas. Street dealers and junkies are almost non-existant in the center now.
I hate the damn scooters, but I miss some of the other riff-raff. They gave the place a little edge.
It will be sad when it all turns into condos.

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Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-08-03, 5:02 pm

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I know the Mirror isn't Daily Mail-awful, but it's still not a reliable source of anything. Let's only share information from reliable sources yeah?
Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-08-03, 9:18 pm

HolyShitBSE
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weasel9x9 wrote:
I've been visiting for almost 40 years. Amsterdam is about as clean and docile as I have ever seen it.
Almost sterile in some areas. Street dealers and junkies are almost non-existant in the center now.
I hate the damn scooters, but I miss some of the other riff-raff. They gave the place a little edge.
It will be sad when it all turns into condos.

Weasel


Exactly my thought. Only been back and forth myself since 2010 but I can see the difference in that time and its so much more chilled out now. The Mirror is a cheap piece of shit UK rag and should be ignored :)

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Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-08-05, 6:17 am

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I'm not in a position to comment on the reputation of various publications in the UK.
The aticle featured quotes from an Amsterdam city official.
Real quotes. Reported in multiple papers.
A similar story was in the English language expatriot website Dutchnews.nl
Not fake news.

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Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-08-06, 9:57 am

sun-n-fun Moderator
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From what I gather the "city official" does not even live in Amsterdam. Lives in Den Haag
Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-08-06, 5:04 pm

grimnul Power Kat
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That, and the Amsterdam city council wants people to think De Wallen is a lawless shithole. It’s their entire justification for project 1012. I wouldn’t trust anything anyone affiliated with the government says on the matter. They definitely have an agenda.
Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-08-07, 4:35 am

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Agreed.
The people on this board have much more insight into what conditions are like on the street.
Want to know what is happening during the late hours at dicey addresses?
Ask a 'micer.
Amsterdam Councilmen are all having a cheese sandwich and glass of milk before putting on their orange nightshirts and retiring to bed in their posh homes. You won't meet them out at night.
Not that there is anything wrong with that. But they have already decided what message they want to send, regardless of the realities.

Go to Amsterdam. Before it is gone.

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Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-08-07, 7:49 pm

Whoa Nellie
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Having just spent 4 nights in A’dam, the bulk of which were wow seeing the RLD, eating, drinking, smoking etc. I can safely echo the many calls of bullshit here.

Perhaps the Pride weekend meant a bit more tourists and police (not measurable against other busy weekends mind you), but if anything it seems safer than years ago when the hard sell dealers were many and the top of the Zeedjik on the big canal sketchy late night.
Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-08-07, 10:34 pm

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And now this:

Amsterdam City coucil in a statement on Tuesday issued plans for dealing with this menace.
They include:
1) Closing streets in the Wallen to allow for cleaning
2) Closing streets in the Wallen during periods of overcrowding
3) Patrols in the Wallen (Not Police) that can issue fines and collect via chip card on the spot.

Be sure to visit Amsterdam before it is gone.

Weasel

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Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-08-11, 9:37 pm

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Ive been going to Amsterdam for 19 years and i can safely say the Wallen area has never felt so safe. I remember when every corner had a dealer whispering Chalie, Pills, mdna etc, Thats when it was really bad.

Ive just come back from 2 nights and never felt any danger or slightly uncomfortable even at 3am.
Re: No longer safe?
Posted: 2018-08-11, 11:17 pm

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I visit regularly and last week I was discussing this with one of the ladies as we were walking through DW and she has been there many years and also is in agreement with everyone on this matter that it is complete BS. As she pointed out during the time period we were walking around we should have seen a couple of dozen crimes, it’s all about agendas and they are slowly killing the area.
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