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Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-03, 4:46 pm

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After visiting Amsterdam 35+ times since 2002 I will be bringing sand to the beach during my upcoming 2 week "Romantic" Italy trip. Staying in Amsterdam the first and last night of the vacation since its an easy NS flight from Los Angeles.

How many of you have brought a significant other to Amsterdam either as a destination or a stopping point for a vacation. A few questions:

1) Do you ever admit to partaking in the Wallen?
2) If so, how did that go and would you do the same again?
3) Did any of you have a GF that encouraged you to use a RLD girl?

I know the average tourist is not on this board so mongers,,both current and past eventually have to discuss this with someone if they are planning a trip to the Dam. I was able to avoid any major issues (so far) by telling her that there is no way I would ever partake since the girls don't take showers between sessions. I am a Clean FREAK about everything and once I found the FKK clubs I stopped going to the windows. She believed me,,so far:)

Good thing is that most of the girls I know,,that would waive at me if I walked by,,are retired. Unless Betty Boop, Nina, NIkola, Sabrina, and Carla are still working.

Staying at Hotel L Europe on the first part of the trip and at the Inntel for the backside.

Planning a Happy Hour Canal Cruise and a few Coffeeshops for Day 1

Tot Ziens

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Re: Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-04, 5:36 pm

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I think Nikola may still be working, though there aren't any really recent reports.

I've travelled to Amsterdam with my GF, but haven't admitted my mongering to her. In order to wander around perusing the windows, I work to maintain some free time while remaining prepared to take advantage whenever it arises. When I've arranged group trips this is easier, and I also travel on my own when possible.

I don't like my girlfriend's attitudes towards prostitution. I'm fairly certain I could talk her around to closer to my point of view, but it would take quite a bit of time, and I don't really see the benefit. The skeeviness of the RLDs would certainly not help the matter.
Re: Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-04, 6:19 pm

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BuckM wrote:
I think Nikola may still be working, though there aren't any really recent reports.

I've travelled to Amsterdam with my GF, but haven't admitted my mongering to her. In order to wander around perusing the windows, I work to maintain some free time while remaining prepared to take advantage whenever it arises. When I've arranged group trips this is easier, and I also travel on my own when possible.

I don't like my girlfriend's attitudes towards prostitution. I'm fairly certain I could talk her around to closer to my point of view, but it would take quite a bit of time, and I don't really see the benefit. The skeeviness of the RLDs would certainly not help the matter.


My girlfriend knows about most of my mongering past. However, if we ever came to Amsterdam together I doubt we'd go to De Wallen if I'm honest. She doesn't know about the other two RLDs, or Alkmaar, etc...

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Re: Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-04, 11:42 pm

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If I was going to deny, I would say as little as possible as to why. If you say something like "oh I could never do that, the girls don't shower between sessions," she may well ask "how do you know that?" The dominos start falling from there.

I'd just deny, and if she pressed for a reason I'd just say "I don't know. It's gross!" And if she said "why is it gross?" I'd just say "I don't know. It just is!" If she asked "well how do you know about them at all?" I'd say "you can't miss them. They are in the middle of everything!" Depending on her attitude you might say "I was just checking out the coffeeshops, and there they were!"

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Re: Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-05, 6:06 pm

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I remember my lie--"I've seen tons of women I would pay to have sex with, but I've never seen a ho I would fuck."

I think most women realize there are plenty of attractive professionals, but my girlfriend has a specific mindset--she'll see a skeevy guy in the RLD and think, 'a woman who would fuck that nasty dude for money is inherently nasty/unattractive herself'. I don't challenge her assumption that I share her viewpoint.

It's helpful too, that virtually 100% of the window girls she's seen are clearly not my type. If my girlfriend saw certain window girls I know of, she would immediately know I'm attracted to them. I'm not sure what would happen then, but these days we tend to walk through the RLD maybe once a visit--each of us minimizing this time for our own reasons.
Re: Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-05, 10:58 pm

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I'd estimate that 90% of the guys walking through the Wallen on any given evening have never gone into a kamer. I have never taken my girl with me to the Dam, but I plan to one day. I freely admit to her that I walk through the RLD when I'm there and that the girls are nice eye candy. The assumption is that there is a wide chasm between looking and buying. I think it is too blatant to claim that I'm not attracted to the nearly naked women in the windows. My girl approves of me looking. On the other hand I find it easy to maintain, for any number of reasons, that I would never use their services. The overt reason for my visits is to smoke weed in a place where it is legally and socially acceptable and of course I do that, too.
Re: Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-06, 12:10 am

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I’ve kind of wondered what and how much I should tell future partners about my mongering. I’m single now and don’t really bother with dating much, so it’s not something I need to worry about, but I do sometimes think about it in the future sense.

I guess best would be to just not say anything, delete my browser history, log out of any incriminating email accounts, etc., and just never bring it up. Not sure how I’d justify running off to Amsterdam on my own periodically, though. We’re getting legal weed here in about a month, and I have a medicinal access card anyway, so that’s not gonna fly for me. Can’t say it’s for business, seeing as I don’t really work in the traditional sense.

I’d imagine most women are probably not terribly ok with mongering, even if you no longer do it. Guess I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it.
Re: Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-06, 2:59 am

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My wife took me to Casa Rosso the first time we were in Amsterdam together.
Should I ask her how she knew about the place?
Does she have some dark past I should be checking out?

You should have no problem finding hundreds of incredible things to do in Amsterdam.
If she wants to go to the RLD, take her. It is something most people want to see.
Pray that some girl doesn't stick her head out a window and shout:
"Weasel baby, you're back!"

If you really want to make your life stressful, take your daughter.
Mine has been there with me half a dozen times.
I took here everywhere she was interested in looking around.
She's seen the Wallen, daytime and night.
Her favorite places are the Rijks, Vondelpark, and Noordamsterdam.
She now speaks some Dutch, rides a bike everywhere, and is trying to get a job there!

Weasel

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Re: Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-09, 2:00 am

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Reminds me of a story of when I was in Amsterdam with my family just two years back. My wife and I left our children at the hotel with their grandparents; we went out to the RLD for cocktails. My wife doesn't frequent Amsterdam so it was all rather new to her, it remains that way; nevertheless, this time was a story...

It was early evening, just dusk. On our way to find a place to have a drink, I took her past some of the windows. She wasn't sure she liked seeing the women 'caged up', and I didn't know how to convince her otherwise; I didn't say much because I was feeling her apprehension. As we turned the corner to walk down another street, we heard a loud knock and a shout; she jumped up a bit, "oh, god, what's that?" I looked back, "no worries, it's a girl trying to attract some guy." "Oh," she said, "that was the girl?" "Yup," I clarified, "these girls are aggressive, they know what they want"; and with that revelation, my wife relaxed.

It's May, we're sitting outside along a canal on the edge of the RLD where we were served our first cocktails. Not too much later, the red-light atmosphere and the drinks were having a positive effect on her; half way into our second drinks my wife proclaimed, "Let’s go see the girls!" ... "Let’s finish our drinks," I said, "then I'll show you around".

Now she liked them, she liked looking, she wanted to see all the girls; but here's where I made my mistake, I took her to see them all. I thought twice about going down Bloedstraat, but I was too curious to know whether Maria was working, we walked down the street. As Maria saw me her eyes widened, and I offered her a wink; smart girl, she got it and smiled with an understanding. Mistake number two, I apparently lost my stride; because as we took a left up Gordijnensteeg, my wife threw me a question I wasn't expecting, "you know her?" Whoops, damn it; can't think quickly, not in this state, I confessed, "yea..., that's Maria." Surprise, that was it; after a couple more streets, we went back to the hotel to fuck; the cocktails, the red-light lights, and the sight of the girls had made her really horny.

... Eric
Re: Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-09, 7:21 am

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Great story, thanks for sharing

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Re: Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-16, 7:51 pm

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That’s a great story, Eric!

I think North Americans especially have a very rough time with sex work. Most people’s exposure to it are street walkers with very high incidence of drug use or pimping. The whole high end escort Elliott Spitzer thing in NYC was an absolute shock to most “normal” people despite being aware that it could possibly exist

Most people I know don’t even look up as we walk through streets where massage parlours are advertised on the second floors of older buildings when they go out to eat or shop. They are blind to it - if you point it out - they’ll blink with surprise and be stunned.

I keep it completely separate but love the ‘Dam more for its other attributes vs. the RLD. Too high volume, and too little intimacy for my taste, I saw a Bulgarian woman this last trip for the first time in years and it reconfirmed for me for the most part why it’s not for me.

That said, I love the city, it’s neighbourhoods and cafes, the locals and expats alike are great company and it’s generally just a great place. Amazing restaurants and full of energy. I could spend a week there on holiday with a GF and not run out of non-RLD things to do easily!
Re: Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-16, 8:05 pm

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I think a big part of it is also how sex workers are portrayed in the media. Beyond all the bullshit you see on the news or wherever about how sex workers are all victims, think about how they’re usually portrayed in movies or on TV. They’re almost always either A. a desperate person who hates having to be a prostitute and is only doing it because they’re a drug addict and need money or a single mother who has no other way to support their child, B. a literal sex slave, or C. a punchline. There are very, very few examples I can think of where a character is a sex worker who is doing it voluntarily, enjoys what they do, is a perfectly functional person, and isn’t played up as a joke.

That’s basically the only exposure most people have to sex workers. The majority of people, I’d think, have probably never even seen a prostitute in real life, or if they have, didn’t pay enough attention to notice. I think if most people actually talked to a professional escort, they’d be very surprised by what sort of person she is.
Re: Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-18, 9:16 pm

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Well, this is a numbers game. I'm not sure what the proportion is, but there are sex workers who are victimized. And it's more than an insignificant noise level. Even in "first world" countries. Even in Amsterdam.

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Re: Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-18, 9:56 pm

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Oh, of course there are. I’m not saying there are no sex workers who are victims, I’d imagine it’s probably a pretty significant percentage, very likely even the majority if we’re talking on the global scale. I’m just saying there are plenty who aren’t and who work completely voluntarily, and they tend to be marginalized by the people who supposedly want to “help” them. I’m saying that the notion that there are people who voluntarily become sex workers is a difficult one for most people to accept, partially due to how sex workers are portrayed in the media.
Re: Bringing GF to Amsterdam
Posted: 2018-09-19, 3:03 am

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I maintain a hypothesis of sex work, as has been shown to be the case of other vices like alcohol and recently cannabis, that controlled legal availability reduces criminality.

Sex work is more complicated though; because of its shameful implications, sex work is managed and workers are treated in a correspondingly back alley fashion. The situation in places where the trade is legal have demonstrated that simple permission isn't sufficient to end victimization, albeit legality appears to reduce it. I assert that sex work must become culturally acceptable; so as to be mainstream, regulated, and positively observed; for criminality to disappear because there would be no where left hidden for it to reside.

I might even go so for as to suggest that it' is our responsibility, as caring activists for the women of the trade, to loudly promote our position that sex work is beneficial for society; thereby facilitating a positive self fulfilling prophecy. The hope would be that a broad perception change world save sex workers from the victimization brought forth by society itself.

... Eric

p.s. By the way, regarding the lighter side of the thread, thank you for the positive feedback on my story; feels like an incentive to post unrelated other red-light-district stories someday ;-)
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