This is my first time visiting RLD Amsterdam, and I did a lot of homework at this forum before I actually tried anything (thank you, everyone, for sharing your experience).

My first try was at noontime in Dollebegijnensteeg A111 or 113 with a new Russian girl (she mentioned that she has worked for 6 months here). She is around 23 years old, with enhanced B-C cup boobs (pretty small when compared with all the others). 50 Euro for everything. She has a nice room, and she prepared music, nice bed, and perfume. She was professional during the session. It was a good experience.

However, things got terrible on Monday night with Wallen, Oudezijds Achterburgwal 13L or around. It was another Russian girl with light hair and natural boobs, and around 20 years old. I was ripped off and got nothing at the end with 100 Euro. She kept lying, and increased the price from 50 to 100, to 150 Euro at the end. So in the end, I got 1 min BJ, 1 min sex, 3 min touching and kissing, and 10 min arguing that why she rips off. She threated to kill me because I said you can't do it. She said she is the boss, she is Russian, No. 1 in the world. What I can say. Moreover, her bed is not prepared, with no music. She did not even wash her boobs in the end after being kissed by me. She was naked but her top was still on her neck (she said it was not easy to put IT on :)).

I understand that there are good girls in the RLD, and even this bad girl can be nice to certain visitors. But as a tourist, who actually did homework, still got such a bad experience. Why would I risk my mood and money again in this place? The information in this forum is very helpful. However, many of them are outdated. The risks are real.

What's more, when I crossed the Dollebegijnensteeg at night, one guy was complaining that he was ripped off. He is new here too and obviously got confused. He has to complain to everyone he met.

This RLD is obviously out of regulation. There are no rules and no honest. Even at night, there are only around 80 windows open, with 60% being too old. I won't risk again. I might try FKK next time.

Sorry to read your bad experience in de wallen.
Wherever you go there can be ripoff upsellers.
My first session with new girls will be the basic price for a very basic service i never pay more.I call it a loss at 50 if what i wanted doesnt happen.

When you find a girl that gives you a nice time its worth doing repeat visit.

Fkk or private houses are the way to go.Fkk for me as you can watch the girls at your leisure and decide.
Fond memories of dewallen from my younger days.

I remember a girl for the wallen started working at park 118 and was ending 1hour sessions in 15 to 20 minutes they soon got rid.

Thank you for your reply. After this visit, I do learn a lot of lessons. For example, as you said, just to abandon the 50 Euro if it shows some bad signals. Also, the girls who agree to 'everything' too quick, without clarification on details, are usually the one who will rip off.

I do not have many experiences in this kind of business. I think I prefer a business with rules and respect. Maybe I am just too young lol.

I have always started a new session with a very basic 50 euro for a blowjob.I see how this goes ask if i can touch etc and progress from there.

If there pushing for extra a quick i have no more money should do and leave it there.

I have had a few sessions that wasnt good.But ive never parted with more money on bad providers.

Yup. Exactly as Ams2008dam says, stick to 50 for the first time with a new girl to see how it goes. Negotiate for time (20 minutes) and services (unlikely, but possible to get full service at that price. I usually ask for a strip tease and touching). After 20 minutes you will know whether to negotiate for more.

It sounds like you had one good and one bad experience. That's good, overall, especially for your first go.

Let's be honest, a lot of these girls are not in this job as their first choice of careers and aren't happy about it. However, many are satisfied with their choice and will give good service when treated respectfully.

Since you said that you used this forum for research, add a couple of reviews in The Girls section to help out the rest of us.

Visit a business that is run by a manager who has to care about the reputation of his house. Try a good "Laufhaus" in a large city in Germany or in Vienna. They have better rules for prostitution. The Dutch "totally independent window woman"-model is a failure if you are a customer. Women like that need some type of boss. With a few exceptions, De Wallen is only good for a quick handjob for 50 Euros. If you want real pay-sex (with a pretty woman), it's not the place to be.

I specifically told a prostitute in De Wallen that I wanted to see her fully naked BEFORE I handed over the money. Then when she had the money she told me that her panties were so tight that it was a real pain to put them back on after taking them off, so she wouldn't do it despite telling me to do so 30 fucking seconds ago. That's classic De Wallen apparently.

The last time I had a ripoff was in the Wallen 11 years ago. After that in the last 20+ trip to AMS I have never entered a room without first checking the ladies details & reviews on the database here & on the other forum. Nowadays I find Singel & Ruysdaelkade way more relaxed, better value & less hassle than the Wallen (& even prefer the bars) - but even there I always check the reviews before entering.

I go to my regulars and have some money to burn for potential ripoffs but lately haven’t been ripped off on two or so trips. Sometimes I let my little head do the thinking too but also know when something looks too good to be true, to avoid it. Works well for me.

Visiting new girls in the RLD is always a risk.

In the past, this website was busier, the RLD was busier, and there were quite a few well-known girls to choose from who had consistent good reviews and were frequently mentioned. If you didn't want to risk trying new girls you could stick to the well-reviewed girls and still have enough choice for a good time.

Things are a bit different now and the RLD is not as good as it was. The standard price for a suck&fuck has increased and is more often €100 than €50 - if you get good sex for €50 consider yourself lucky! This makes it more expensive to try new girls.

There are still some great girls, you just have to find them, but I think the RLD works best when you visit regularly and have some favourites that you know will give you a good time - or pick one of someone else's favourites! I only try new girls occasionally if they really catch my eye, and I don't expect a great session. If it turns out well I consider it a pleasant surprise, and usually I will start with €50 just to see what the girl is like, even if it means the session is just a blowjob.



There is no point getting angry with the girls - if you refuse to leave, demand your money back and become aggressive they can press the alarm in their room and you still won't get any money back even if the police show up - it's your word against hers and they won't be interested, it just spoils your holiday. When you are in a kamer with a girl it's basically 'my room, my rules.' Also remember that you don't know the background the girl is coming from - OK she might just be a bitch but she might have good reasons for not wanting to be there.

The regulations exist mainly to protect the girls, not the customers. You can get general advice and use Ignatzmice (or translate hookers.nl) to avoid rip-offs but the only way to be sure is to limit yourself to known providers which can be a bit boring ;)

Personally I think the best approach with new girls is to be relaxed about what happens. It helps to negotiate the basics but ultimately you are handing over money for sexual favours that you may or may not get, depending on the girl. A friendly attitude can help get better service - the girls are people, not sex robots, and a lot of girls are surprisingly friendly and talkative once they feel relaxed with you, and the sex is better. I treat a session with a new girl as a trial to see if she's worth visiting again. If she says suck&fuck is €50 I'll assume she is lying and the real price will probably be €100 minimum. If I want a guarantee of good sex I'll visit someone I already know.

It can help to stick rigidly to €50 on a first session, or at least wait until the girl actually does something before handing over any more money. If you agree on a blowjob for €50 and she's doing a good job without upselling, the atmosphere is relaxed, the girl is hot, you can always offer another €50 for sex. If all you get from the beginning is attitude, argument and upselling, walk away and cut your losses. After one session you have a better idea of the girl's attitude and whether she is worth visiting again - sometimes there can be a bit of upselling drama in a €50 session but I get the feeling that the girl is basically OK, just a bit cheeky, and I like her enough to try a proper €100 session next time.

There are some nice girls working in the RLD who are honest and will give good service to anyone who treats them with respect. Other girls are just a nightmare, the upselling will only end when you run out of money, they will repeatedly change their mind about what you paid for, try to charge you extra for everything and anything, and give you either lousy service, a very short session, or no sex at all.

The trick is to try and figure out which is which... some girls have a bad attitude you can sense at the door e.g.

"What's your name?"
"Come inside and I'll tell you"

If you are having a hard time even getting a name out of a girl, the session is probably going to be a nightmare of upselling!

It's a little bit of a game, there are good girls and bad girls and terrible girls. The good girls are great and some of the bad girls are good when you get to know them.



Sure, there are plenty of other options, it depends what you want. The FKKs might suit your style more and give better service. When I first visited Amsterdam I did quite a few sessions in 'privehuis' brothels where the service is more consistent but the choice of girls is limited - it was nice to experience more than one type of paid sex although I've never made it to an FKK so far...

If you want a cheaper Dutch RLD with a better standard of service you can try Alkmaar - the girls are mostly young and cute (although don't forget the minimum age for the girls is 21 in Holland). It's not a massive RLD but worth a visit; the centre of Alkmaar is fairly small but very pleasant and only about 40 minutes by train from Amsterdam.

Don't forget - you did have one good session, think about that one and try to forget the other one!

I agree with everything Aldebran said. I think also a big factor is that this site has slowed down a lot and we’re not getting many reports on new girls, so people get this impression that all the superstars are retiring, and there are no good girls left. The fact is, there are new girls coming all the time and statistically, not all of them can be bad. There are probably a bunch of great girls out there that we simply don’t know about. Don’t let a bad experience or two sour you on the whole thing, there’s still a lot of great times to be had, you just have to know how to filter out the rip offs.

Agree with previous comments, look on it that you've been ripped off & not going to let that happen again . In the 3 years I've been going I've found plenty of good girls some on recommendation from here, most just on my gut feeling at the door.
I've had a rip off girl , a useless girl who did what she promised but whined constantly on up sell, but won't be caught again.
I've had plenty that have done exactly what they said & I continue to visit them. I think it helps to tell them your a regular, the good girl will see future business & they definitely get better the more you visit. As said previously enjoy the good one, there are plenty of good girls out there

This isn't anywhere near as helpful as what others have said but staying off the main canal is a general (but not hard and fast) rule which can greatly lower the chances of encountering a rip-off artist. There are many reasons why this might not be strictly true, but just getting off the main drag drastically cuts the % of being upsold / ripped off, at least, in my findings.

I've been mongering now for 7 years, with off and on visits to Amsterdam. I've been fortunate enough to have never encountered a rip-off experience, but I was upsold once, I just got on with it and paid the extra. Turned out to be a great fuck (lol), but I didn't feel too good about being coaxed out of extra cash afterwards.

Cheers.

Enjoyed reading the discussions in this thread. My take is that I try to focus on the upbeat experiences in the P4P scene and try to write off the unpleasant encounters to “the school of experience.” Back in 1999 when I started visiting de Wallen, I remember how tall Dutch blonde beauty Jessica told me that her kamer on Dolleb was “a sex factory”. Martina of Slovakia (“Lady M”) also told me about the times she had “a sore pussy” from all the sessions. One of their ways to take breaks from the scene was to take relaxing vacations. Believe Lady M said she went to a resort in the Maldives once.

A technique I very selectively used a few times during my last visit to the Wallen was to pay a girl 50E for 15 minutes just to talk. No sex. Caught them off guard. I told them I was worn out from too much sex. I’d compliment them on their kind eyes, beautiful smile, or other traits. So we’d relax and chat. What the girls liked about it was the “paid time off” aspect. Not having to sit/stand at the kamer door to seek customers. Moreover, they were enthusiastic about seeing me again for an actual romp in the hay, so to speak. One other technique I recommend, guys. Be adept at some massage techniques. Even if it’s for one minute, most girls in the P4P scene love it, particularly when it’s done skillfully and with sincerity.

A big trend in the escort P4P scene is the sheer number of worldwide ladies who embrace social media, especially Twitter and Instagram. Direct marketing in addition to routinely having detailed websites showing menus for biographies, photos, rates, FAQs, etc. Countries? Canada, USA, England, Spain, Japan, Singapore, France, and Australia. And that’s for starters. The upside: lots of genuine GFE opportunities, if not GFE/PSE. The primary downside, IMHO? Fees/rates have soared tremendously over the past ~20 years and periodic rate hikes are commonplace. Seeing an escort at her incall (might be her residence) can reduce expenses but increasingly high-end independent escorts are only open to outcalls at 4+ stars hotels.

Relatively good bargains for a robust GFE? Agency escorts in major Canadian cities. Their websites provide photos/rates/details. In Europe? For independent escorts, there are two highly-reviewed Danish hotties in Copenhagen (Emma Moore and Annika Sofia) that have caught my eye. Others? Anna Alba of Barcelona (GFE with YMMV for PSE). She exudes confidence, personality, and charm (one of my ATFs). In Budapest, Veronica Carso is a late 30s former porn star who still escorts (had a splendid time with her). A gorgeous courtesan in Paris who recently caught my eye is Lana Lumière. She’s a very artsy lady with a bit of a Brigitte Bardot vibe. Their websites can be found without difficulty. Australia has all sorts of gorgeous, cheeky hotties in places like Sydney/Melbourne/Brisbane/Perth, alas the distance to those destinations. One upside is the relative strength of the USD/Euro to the Australian dollar (one USD buys about 1.43-1.46 AUS $ before transaction fees).

Not seeing it talked up in these forums but Formula 1 racing is returning to the Netherlands (after a 35 year absence) in 2020 at the seaside Zandvoort track (one turn will be banked 18 degrees). Would bet that most Amsterdam kamers will be occupied at the peak of race week. Not sure of the race week schedule. See http://www.dutchgp.com for updates.

I’d certainly second the recommendation for the escort scene in major Canadian cities, at least here in Toronto. I’ve only just begun exploring the scene here now that I have a proper place to have ladies come to, only seen 4 ladies so far and they were all excellent. I have one who I’ve already seen twice and have a third booking with coming up who’s a super sweet girl and legitimately loves BBBJ/CIM/swallow, and is just a genuinely awesome person (and fuck, for that matter).

If anyone happens to be heading to Toronto at any point, feel free to message me, I can give you some pointers.