I was talking to a middle aged guy recently about the RLD. He used to be a truck driver, that made many visits there in the 70's. Yes the Pre AIDS 1970's. He last visited in 2004.

Note: Before the advent of AIDS in the early 1980s, very few RLD hookers used condoms and bareback sex was the norm.

He said there were far less tourists of course, and most women were Dutch that time. But the best thing was the bareback sex, he said the feeling of just walking in off the street, sticking ur bare cock into a woman's vagina, ejaculating inside her, pulling out and zipping up, was just fantastic. This guy reckons that the advent of condoms ruined the eroticism of the whole thing. Although some guys used to bring their own condoms such was the fear of catching an STD.

He went on to tell me more of the differences between now and then.Back then STDs were rife with crabs being a major one, because very few women shaved back then, and most had the big bush of pubic hair. He claims he caught crabs at least 6 times from the RLD girls. He also caught gonorrhea and herpes in the RLD. Apparently there was a 25/75 chance that you would catch something off a window girl that time. A big discussion point in the bars around the RLD that time, was which girls were STD free, and which were infected.

The general hygiene of the girls was alot less than today (as was the general population) . Many women only took a bath once a week that time, and didnt shower daily. And they didnt always wash their vaginas after sessions either. You were a brave man to partake in DATY that time he said. If you did there was a good chance that you might taste the spunk of the guy before you or end up eating a crab!! Some girls would only request a guy to wash his cock if he wanted a BBBJ. So many very dirty cocks entered many very dirty pussies that time.
Most RLD girls didnt kiss that time either, but apart from that most didnt mind fingering and allowed much more general groping than today. And all women stripped completely naked that time, none of this charging extra to take off the bra like today.

He went on to tell me that the place went thru a huge depression in the early 1980's, with the advent and general confusion of AIDs. Many of the under 30's reading this wont remember but when AIDS was first discovered there were huge levels of ignorance as to how you could contract AIDS. Many people thought that you could catch it from using other peoples cutlery or from a toilet seat. There was a belief that you could easily catch it from a hooker even if you were wearing a condom. He says the place was often like a ghost town in the early 80's with most kamers empty. But by the late 80's it was back booming.

Today he thinks its a joke, the way the girls treat clients with their over strict rules, like no touching, although he thinks that the lack of STDs is major benefit these days. God be with the glory days of the 70's. I wish I was old enough to remember.

Awesome post, thanx for the history lesson!

In 1972 it was 20 or 25 guilders at a time when it was 2.5 guilders to the dollar. Regards. Roland

Better prices, no restrictions, looks nice...... however, I guess I wouldn't like having sex with ladies with hairy bushes. And since I really like dining you know where, those definitely weren't the days for me.....

Anyway, thanks for the nice lesson in RLD history, WK!

D.

Really enjoyed this post - would love to see more of these kind of trips down memory lane.

doog!

withnail

would love to see more of these kind of trips down memory lane.

Me too, c'mon oom wim, tell us a story ;-)

Doog
Pepto

My first visit to Amsterdam was 1984, AIDS was still in its infancy and you could still have unprotected sex without anyone making too much of a fuss. There were no coffeeshops back then, as marijuana wasn't yet decriminalized. There were always Rastafarians strolling the area between CS and the RLD offering to sell you hashish, but I can tell you from first-hand experience that most of what they sold was crap. It is also true that most of the working girls were Dutch (or at least they looked Dutch). There were definitely no Eastern Europeans in the Kamers, that's for sure. I remember the exchange rate as being very favorable for the US dollar.

Thanks, Wan, for a great and certainly thought-provoking post.

My first visit to Amsterdan was in the late summer of 1984, in the early aftermath of the big aids cramdown. I was here on a business trip as one of a number of guests of a well-known Dutch company, and they obliged with the well-known quickie walking tour of the RLD. Surprisingly, there were many girls available and quite a few customers walking about. Of course, we got the warning from our host that it was "suicide" to frequent the RLD girls considering the certain death from the great scourge of aids that surely awaited the foolish punter.

So naturally a friend and I waited out the tour, including the obligatory coin-operated "live sex show" for 2 minutes (complete with very hairy bush), returned to the hotel feigning jet lag and drunkenness, and immediately regrouped 15 minutes later outside the hotel. After purchasing and smoking some blond hash (yes, it was complete shit) I found myself eyeing up a smallish blond at about 1:00 am. Certain that I would perish a horrible death, I nevertheless entered the kamer. Sasha proceeded to lecture me that she was "cleaner than your filthy wife" and proposed we do the deed. Somewhat fazed by all of this, I poneyed up the small sum for a blowjob, which she administered expertly sans condom, taking a substantial load all over her face and cute tits. Her parting comment was "next time you have to fuck me." I lied, promising as faithfully as I could that I would. Now that I've read the bit about the crabs, I'm glad I didn't dip the wick, or God forbid go for my favorite, DATY.

I returned to Amsterdam for the first time since then in 2003, and it's just a different world. I agree with many of the posters here that the German FKK clubs are like that part of "The Wizard of OZ" where it all goes from black-and-white into color, but I still enjoy the window shopping and the total causualness of it all: hey, didn't quite cum with this one? Just zip it up, move down the street and go again. At EU50 a pop, what's the difference?

Keep up the great work, all. My last day in Amsterdam is tomorrow, and I'm already counting the days until I'm back in April.

BTW, finished up the day today with an encore visit with Suzanne the brit MILF in the Singel. Unbelievable, but that'll have to be in another report....

floyd

Enjoyed your post very much floydpink. Sounds like you are having fun. I'll be back there soon enough. I agree that prowling the rld is a blast even though the FKK scene is by far the best!

Thanks guys,

Floyd great post. Interesting that you had a BBBJ and could have done bareback in 1984.
I wonder around what year did condoms become the standard for intercourse in the RLD??
Anyone know ??

I made my first trip there in 1991 and by then everything was certainly covered. I have never been offered a BBBJ in the Wallen, and certainly never bareback sex there. Infact apart from the Showboat swingers club which doesnt really count, I only ever recall getting one BBBJ in the Netherlands from a WG, and that was in the Casa Cherda club in the Hague in 2003.(she was also offering bareback, which i declined)

Infact the only place i have been offered alot of Bareback sex by working girls was in Latvia in 2002. Well they were really indifferent to condoms, you could wear them or not wear them. Many girls there believed that AIDS is an African disease and that white people cant get it !!!
Talk about ignorance. I wonder do they still offer bareback there in 2006?? Not that I am looking for it.

The description of the hygiene could have been from the 1570s let along 1970s.. Sounds nasty.. The only time I had pro-bareback was in Thailand where a girl ripped the condom off and plonked herself back on.. I came just after and she told me off...!
I had a (negative) HIV test when I got back. When I go back at Easter, I will look out for her and see if I got her pregnant..
Apparently there were certain kinds of porn available then that would get you locked up (and regularly beaten) these days... Maybe earlier than the 70s.

"There were no coffeeshops back then, as marijuana wasn't yet decriminalized."

Surely your memory is playing you false Rainer ;-). I first visited Amsterdam in the summer 1985 and there was no shortage of coffeeshops. I believe that the Bulldog first opened it's doors in 1976 and by the time of my visit in '85 the "Palace" was open in leidseplein (though it has to be said that it's tradition for poor quality was well established by then).

As for decriminilisation, maybe a3xtw could clear shed some light on this, my understanding is that marijuana has never been decriminilised but was depenalised (this appears to be confirmed here : http://www.marijuananews.com/marijuanan ... of_dut.htm) for personal use.

Whatever the truth, they're open and available now and that is all that really matters... ;-)

As far as smoke, I think "tolerated" is the word used by the Dutch Govt..

While I suppose it is possible that I am mistaken about there being no "coffeeshops" back in 1984, I don't think I would have resorted to buying hashish from a street seller if I could have bought it legally in a coffeeshop. I don't think I could have been that stupid and unaware, but you never know. Anyone else have any info on this?

I stand corrected... the bulldog website (http://www.bulldog.nl/) claims it was established in 1975!

Interesting stuff fellas. Always wondered about that era, as I first hit the streets in the early 90s. Incidentally, I too have caught crabs from the RLD - even in the age of trimmed quims - and it puts a real downer on your trip I can tell you. My advice, have a tidy haircut before you fly...

Cheers
G~

These rose-tinted memories of your friend are an interesting bit of twaddle...and nearly all rubbish.



This was true in the sexclubs, it lasted until the late 80's. The sex clubs then as now, had baths and showers. One spent an hour, and paid a premium price. STD's as they're called now have been around a very long time. They could be very dangerous as well. Anyone working in the RLD, where short-duration volume business was/is the norm (with little provided for washing up except sinks), who wanted to work there for long used protection. Bareback sex in the RLD, if it existed, was certainly not the norm.

The Netherlands decriminalized possession and allowed small scale sales of marijuana beginning in 1976.

very nice post, Wan King

Thank you

.."I agree with many of the posters here that the German FKK clubs are like that part of "The Wizard of OZ" where it all goes from black-and-white into color"...

someone could please be so kind to explain me what this means?

Thanks

Axxxtw,

You claim my man is bullshiting about the bareback sex being the norm in RLD in the 1970's.
Over the years I have spoken to a few guys in their 50's and 60's who visited the Wallen during that time period and they all claim that bareback was the norm. This latest guy did go into more graphic detail about it. Ok, maybe bareback wasn't the norm but it appears that it was widely available, and very sought after in the RLD.

Anyway what evidence have you that it wasn't the norm?