After lurking here for years and after increasing the frequency of my mongering activities lately, albeit just on the local scene, I have now made up my mind and will visit an FKK next week. From what I've read, PHG is the place for a newbie to start and, since it is near to where I'll be staying, that's where the long-anticipated journey into the world of FKK will begin. Possibly followed a few days later by the near-by GT.

I know that the turnaround of girls in the FKKs is high, so it doesn't make much sense to go over past posts and read on the current situation - I am sure I'll find some great girls there. But I was just wondering, are there any girls that I should avoid?

If there are any posters here that would have the time to join me in the afternoon on the 12th April in PHG (or perhaps in GT on the 15th April - but this is still not sure), I would appreciate it. I am sure I'll be fine and entertained on my own, but seeing the experience of some posters here, I wouldn't say no to some knowledgable company.

Cheers!

PHG used to be the best place for a newbie to start...I am not so sure that this is still the case though. Personally, I would probably suggest starting in the Frankfurt area, specifically at either World or Oase, clubs where you can experience the "true" FKK atmosphere and see/partake of some couch action and where all the girls are naked.

If you are around Frankfurt during next weekend there will be a number of experienced FKKers to help you break into this...

ST

Thanks for the tip. I was considering going to these clubs and I certainly have them on my must-try list, precisely for the reasons you gave.

Unfortunately, from where I'll be staying this time (in Vlaanderen in Belgium), going there would mean driving 380km one-way instead of 100km. Especially the drive back after bed gymnastics is not exactly appealing. Not to mention that I'd much rather spend the time with the girls than on my own in a small rented car. :-) If I were driving home, I'd pass Frankfurt anyway, so I'd stop there and get a hotel. But as it is, it'll have to wait for the next time.

Cheers!

Yanusx,

have fun in both clubs, only 100 km to travel is nothing - don't be shy , you feel at home immediately , there are all sort of man, the girls don't bite, you bite the girls !

ST,

perhaps the "true" FKK atmosphere is something that we don't know , it's part of 20th century German culture, now they are just brothels, they should have started this deviation some 75 years ago.

Wim

Wim,

You are correct about so-called "true" fkk environment being a mainly 1980-90s phenomenon. I may have been slightly unclear when I used it: I was simply trying to draw the distinction between the environment at, say, Oase or World (where girls are stark naked and there is couch action) vs a PHG-type environment, where girls are not naked and there is absolutely no couch action; more of a "sauna-club" environment. So I thought, all things being equal, yanusx might have had a better introduction down in Frankfurt than in PHG.

But, yanusx, all things are not equal and now that you make clear where you will be staying, namely in Vlanders (Lande von moi bier!!), then it makes no sense to go so far as Frankfurt. Probably GT is a good bet! But if you really want an environment as close as possible to the architypal FKKs: Why not consider Bernd's FKK Club in Hennef-Seig, outside Bonn. Not as far as Frankfurt, and perhaps within range. This place has really good reports coming out of it, and the performance level of the girls is supposed to be tops! Also, lots and lots of couch action. Wim, have you ever considered going to Bernd's?

ST

Hi ST,

sure, the environment in the all naked clubs can be stunning , but the way back to the NRW clubs is not at all disappointing to me , it's still as stunning as almost 3 years ago.
as for couch action , in the GoldenTime kino and garden (summer) every action is on display,
I see more girls naked , if that’s the way it works better than it's there, PHG is more the men’s-club, with, perhaps, a certain distinction. It has loads of clients.
It's true, I see more and more men program the tomtom and find their way to f.e. Bernds Saunaclub in Hennef-Lichtenberg (all naked), Freude 39 in Bochum is also all naked, FKK Venus in Duisburg, FKK Penelope in Essen, several PartyTreffs here and there. In the more intimate clubs it seems that even more diversification of services for the regular clients is possible. Not for me so far, I don’t have a tomtom …..

Brings us to the question why seemingly the Frankfurt clubs are running slow in these month’s, what's happening , is it the "dilution of talents" by opening more and more facilities here and there, the big arena's will be hit first ,
What is your guess ST !
Does the better paying German client around Hessen want to hang around in big arena's ?? , with everywhere around screens with hardcore porn. (not in the Happy Garden !)
About GoldenTime, there are rumors that the municipality of Brueggen wants to raise income-taxes over the club , because its not a Sauna-club ( a health center in FKK Germany right ! ), no , it's a cafe-restaurant-brothel, GoldenTime bought a new big facility in Monchengladbach, not far from Brueggen.
So rumors are always going on, plans are always changing , and still we can benefit from the best organized and diversified sex-market in the world.

Wim

This is a two-way street and very unpredictable, because of the turnover of girls you mentioned, but particularly because YMMV. You might hear that some girl got a bad review because she had a bad attitude, DFK and DATY wasn't on the menu, etc. and it might have been a case of the girl not having a good day or bad chemistry between the 2 of them. Sure, there are those who everybody should avoid 100% of the time as well as women who give every man they meet the best sexual experiences of their lives, but like in a bell curve, most of them reside somewhere in the middle.

The great thing about these clubs is that it gives you the opportunity to sit and talk to them before you make your choice which is a far cry from "window shopping." In that regard, Frankfurt is better for us English only speakers because communication is a tad more difficult in the NRW. But let your instincts be your guide and recognize that you're gonna make some mistakes along the way. When you do, chalk it up to lesson learned, and cheer up because the worst day in an FKK club is still better than your best day working in the office.

@Yooroo: Well said! You make many valid points!

@Wim:
Brings us to the question why seemingly the Frankfurt clubs are running slow in these month’s, what's happening , is it the "dilution of talents" by opening more and more facilities here and there, the big arena's will be hit first ,
What is your guess ST ! "

Really Wim, I can not explain the current situation. To me: I don't know what the fuck is going on! I was there about 6 weeks and the clubs are really hopping! I suspect two things: 1) There is a bit of a slump going on, but it is being over hyped. 2) It is a bit like an Ocean or a tidal sea: there is ebb and flow.

Things may be slow at the moment; the deck may be reshuffling itself; the tide will come in I suspect, bringing lots of fish. I think in the furture FFM will bounce back...I am an optimist, ja?

ST

I guess I am not a newbie anymore. Six or Seven or Eight or Nine, damn my memory is really really bad. Hence I need to write the reports almost the moment I have internet access.

I never ventured out of Frankfurt for the first four trips. The idea of the girls wearing lingerie didn't tempt me. I always avoided dessous days at World and Oase. But when I got there for the first time last visit, there was still alot going for it. The NRW clubs are like gentleman clubs, for guys to sit down and relax. It's less franctic like the Nachtbar in PHG and the ample space at GT. At Oase today, there really wasn't a place just to chill out. It was action action action.

I have been doing this all by myself literally other than the tips from the great members here to give me encouragement and advice. I dont' speak German well if you count nubmers and days of the week and Guten Tag and Guten Nacht as German. It's hard to mingle with the girls. I also sometimes and still do get the bad vibes from the good girls and vice versa. You get better with experience and now even with my language skills lacking, you can still meet some very nice girls.

So I hope you enjoy yourself wherever you may travel. Take it from me, the taxi/train lover. If you can drive, go for it since you will not feel rushed near closing time. It sometimes can be a killer.

Redstorm

Hey Red,

Your reports have been a real kick to read. I wish that I could head up to World and hang with you, Fred and the others but; alas, appointments and other things forbid this. Please make sure that Daniela behaves herself in my absence ;-))))

Hey ST,

I agree. I think that the clubs will rebound as well. Still, the dilution of talent and top-acts has not been good for the overall scene in Frankfurt. Not sure where all of these top-acts have gone to but a few seem to have moved to Berlin or NRW and they are missed in the Frankfurt whoopee scene. It will be interesting to see what Spring brings, if it ever gets here.

Cheers,

Dedalus, who is more than ready for a bit of Spring Fever at GT this Sunday.

Hello Dedalus,

Let's see if the nice weather will continue.

Regards,
Fred

Hey Fred,

I hope that it is nice were you are. Here the sun is shining and the temperature is slowly but surely rising. I hope that it is that way up north.

Cheers,

Dedalus, Spring Monger