Re: Political Discussions in Bars and Coffeeshops
Posted: 2005-11-05, 11:10 pm
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Power Kat
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Hey ABC
I was travelling Europe for 4 months from 11/01-3/02,, spent many nights in Nice, Villefranche, St. Tropez, and Paris,, actually was welcomed (ecspecially at Hotel Welcome) while in every country.
A year later I was in Amsterdam staying at an Iraqi owned Hotel (The France) on St Patricks day,, the day Bush declared war on Iraq. The proprietor of the France was very sympathetic to America and offered quite a discount for future visits.
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Re: Political Discussions in Bars and Coffeeshops
Posted: 2005-11-06, 5:06 am
Cuckoo4wahoo
Posts: 7
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Weasel9x9????
Lol you mention Clinton before you talked about the current bush, the elder bush... and worst of all Reagan.. Funny your slanted conservative perspective stinks up this thread!
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Re: Political Discussions in Bars and Coffeeshops
Posted: 2005-11-06, 6:37 am
BoneJockey
Power Kat XXX
Posts: 820
Location: New York, NY USA
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First, leave Weasel alone. His post is not particularly conservative. It's more apolitical than anything else. He shows equal contempt for both parties. Plus, he actually put his ass on the line for his country. He's earned the right to express an opinion. And if W has contributed anything to the political landscape, he proves that you can do a LOT worse than Reagan. He even makes Carter look competent. Carter gave us Reagan, because he was basically ineffective as president. Had his leadership abilities matched his intellect, he could've been great. But c'est la vie. He was the last truly moral man to be President, but that means nothing in a corrupt, immoral system. I disagree with Weasel about Clinton, but I have to wonder how much better he would've been without the vast right wing conspiracy (Yes, Hillary was right) trying to bring him down any way they could. But then again, who among us could stand up to that kind of onslaught. I'm not much for the "look at everyone else" defense of our policies, because we're supposed to be setting the standard. What happens with us affects the whole world. So, what happens here is not quite the same as what happens in Cuba. I still love my country, but sometimes I'm embarassed by it. But the ability to change is built in to our foundation. So, I always have hope.
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Re: Political Discussions in Bars and Coffeeshops
Posted: 2005-11-06, 7:34 am
Rembrandt
Posts: 15
Location: anywhere there is work
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Mojo,
I don't mind talking about world politics with those I meet while on vacation. I appreciate unbiased opinions on most subject matter including, but not limited to, politics.
As you have acurrately stated, one needs to be careful as to how one expresses his/her
political and religious beliefs in mixed company on anothers home turf.
Yes, Dubya sucks and we all know it. By the way, what is your sisters phone #?
Rembrandt
I will be in Holland on Tuesday. I will have a toke in your honor at the Excalibur.
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Re: Political Discussions in Bars and Coffeeshops
Posted: 2005-11-06, 2:21 pm
greta
Posts: 169
Location: USA
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Rembrandt wrote:
>Dubya sucks and we all know it.
I'm not apolitical but when I'm in Amsterdam I kinda want to get away from all the politics that we have on TV 24/7
Fortunatley most European guys I'v encountered have other things on their mind when we're talkin ;-)
But here's how I would deal with complaints about Dubya being raised by Euro-guys while I'm in my fave city
(and these only work for a girl!)
yeah Bush sucks. But I suck better!
and
Forget THAT Bush - get into MY bush!
Just to keep this bi-partisan - my quibble with Clinton was that he MISSED! There are better places to land than on a dress...
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Re: Political Discussions in Bars and Coffeeshops
Posted: 2005-11-06, 6:50 pm
greta
Posts: 169
Location: USA
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you know those Euro guys... so shallow. Thank god!
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Re: Political Discussions in Bars and Coffeeshops
Posted: 2005-11-07, 9:01 pm
mrab
Posts: 23
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Mojo,
The fact that you don't like Bush or his policies but still claim him as your president and refrain from criticizing him when on foreign soil speaks to your character.
You can sit at my table any time.
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Re: Political Discussions in Bars and Coffeeshops
Posted: 2005-11-10, 8:40 am
Swinginpoet
Posts: 20
Location: USA
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My point is somewhat difficult to make
But there is a notion in this thread that I just can't take.
While traveling abroad, it seems to me
Keeping silent is not a virtue that I can see.
Patriotism all but requires dissent
Based on the words of a man who's picture helps pay my rent
And pointing out that we don't all agree with Bush
Helps to keep the image of our nation from takin' it in the tush.
When a family member is obviously broken
Denying so with silence is no positive token
Admit the obvious and state the issue
Only then can a solution be applied that isn't just tissue.
In a nation that prides itself on free speech
Keeping one's tongue is no trip to the beech.
Of your opinion be proud
And remember that around here kings are not allowed.
President or not, the truth must still be told
And keeping silent helps to do so not at all
If I may be so bold.
Swingin'poet
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Re: Political Discussions in Bars and Coffeeshops
Posted: 2005-11-10, 10:43 am
withnail
Power Kat
Posts: 912
Location: amsterdam
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i wasnt going to join in this thread given that it has zero to do with amsterdam BUT i should point something out. the france hotel, mentioned by james, is actually Israeli owned, not iraqi.
now lets talk about amsterdam, girls, windmills, dope, clogs or whatever....
doog!
withnail
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