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Every so often someone will post about a girl and will describe her as a 10. A 10 says allowing for differences in personal taste, they just don't come better looking than said gal. It's the highest possible score. But here's the thing. I think 99% of punters have not only not been with a 10, they haven't even have the opportunity to be with a 10.

Today I was watching TV and a Nivea commercial came on. They frequently use models and this one just stopped me dead in my tracks. Doing a little research I think the woman in question may have been Karen Mulder although she's 40 now and it's hard to believe she could still look that perfect. It's quite a commercial. So maybe it was someone else. Here's a couple pics of Karen Mulder in any case:

http://usemycomputer.com/show.html?w=60 ... ren102.jpg

http://usemycomputer.com/show.html?w=58 ... renm09.jpg

Turns out she's Dutch. It also turns out she's had a rough life. But that's not the point. The point is I have been around a bit and I've never seen a working girl that can match her in looks. Not in the RLD. Not at an FKK. Not even on a website for a high-end agency.

Now there probably are high-end escorts out there of model quality. In fact there are high-end escorts who *are* models. But the vast majority of us are not seeing them. And they aren't being posted about here.

Now I know there are those who will say "but models don't really look like that. It's all hair and make-up and lighting and Photoshop." And there is some truth to that. But I've seen models on the street. When you live in NYC you just end up walking past them and it's immediately obvious that's who and what they are. And I'm here to tell you I've never seen such a girl in a kamer or an FKK.

But it's not just about models. On every trip to AMS I will see a handful of remarkably tall, impossibly beautiful, Dutch women that would be an instant #1 if they were to offer themselves in a kamer. On my one trip to Leeuwarden in my train car there were half a dozen college girls who beat, hands down, anyone I would see in the Weeze. When I go to Alkmaar I usually will take a walk past all the shops and there I'll see young moms who easily outdistance the best of the pros on the Achterdam.

Now please understand, I'm not complaining. For better or worse the best looking women I've had sex with are women I paid, and I've almost always felt it was a fair exchange. And looks aren't everything. Usually I'd rather have good sex with an average looking woman than bad sex with a great looking woman.

But when it comes to the pay-for-play arena few of us, if any, are hiring 10's. It just doesn't happen.

Excellent post

i quite agree, a perfect 10 is almost impossible to find, but as you say, we all have different tastes

a perfect 10 for me would be

German Kim"s body, Lotte"s face, and Max"s uninhibited sexual prowess !!

put those 3 in the same body and that to me is not only a 10 but a 10++++++++++ !! lol


apart from the Wallen girls, a perfect 10 would be

Katie Derham [newsreader]

Becki Mantin [weather girl]

but whether i would get a chance to screw them rotten is another matter

A 10 is a girl who makes you feel like you've been with a 10. It can be more than looks, though looks are a big part of it.

Would you like me to try ;-) ?

--CC Girl

Yes please CC girl

It's purely personal taste though!! Because that supposed "perfect 10" in those links does nothing for me!! She isn't anywhere near close to a 10!!!!! Closer to a five than a 10!!!

And i have indeed been with a 10 in De Wallen, for my own tastes!! Angelina in my opinion is the most visually stunning looking woman i have ever seen and will ever see!! She really did stop me dead in my tracks the first time i saw her!! Every inch of her body is perfection in size, shape, texture, (touch, taste.....lol!!).

And if people are going to say it's not just looks, it's how she makes you feel, then she scores a 10 there too ;-)

I guess my new name should be "The Mythbuster" ;-)

And on a more personal level, Angela at LMP has looks to me that are just undescribable!! The feelings i get when i look into that girls eyes touch me so emotionally deep it actually shocks me!!! I can't explain how it makes me feel, but it is truly mindblowing!!

So, i have indeed paid for girls that given the choice of fucking ANY woman in the world, be it a model, royalty, celebrity, woman in the street, anone anywhere i would still choose those!!

Great subject though :-)

I agree with Amsterman, the model in the links wouldn't come close to falling into my subjective "perfect 10" category. I will agree with Neurosynth in regard to the QUANTITY of simply amazing-looking women in the Netherlands. I live in LA, where all the "beautiful people" are alleged to flock to in droves, but when I went to the Netherlands (finally, for the first time!) last summer - I was BLOWN AWAY by the sheer numbers of stunning women I encountered everywhere. My damn neck started to hurt from turning it so much!

There is "one of those moments" that will always stick in my mind - late afternoon, I'm heading NW on Haarlemerstraat on foot to shoot the Westerpark and architecture in that quadrant. Camera bag on my back, iPod rockin' Zappa's "Fembot in a Wet T-Shirt" (which from that point forward became THE song that I associate with Amsterdam!), nice buzz going on from some Mexican Cubensis and plenty of smokables throughout the day - I'm strutting along at a good clip with a grin on my face and a swagger like Travolta in the beginning of "Saturday Night Fever" (hard NOT to have that swagger when you've been carousing with beauties for days on end!) Blame it on the mushrooms - but I swear, EVERY 10th woman that I saw was a knockout! I'm sayin' to myself, "is this for real?" There's a bend in the straat, and I said to myself, "watch - another "Perfect 10 Dutchie" is going to come walking around the corner" - and, of course, there she was - pedaling down the street on her bike with a tiny dog in her wicker front basket. My 'shroom-smile grew into a shit-eating grin, and (like some surreal moment in a movie!) she flirtatiously smiled back! At that moment.........I never wanted to go home LOL!

What I love the most about Dutch women is the 400+ years of cross-pollination. In the center of the spectrum, you have the pure Dutch look - high cheekbones (the one feature in a woman I find MOST appealing), pert noses, tall and blonde - with the Indo-Chinese mixtures to the right and the Surinamese mixtures to the left.

As for the Wallen ladies? Even with my VERY limited time spent in Amsterdam, there was certainly more than one beautiful woman that would fall into my P-10 category! And, despite all the time I've spent building my Blackberry database for my upcoming trip in July, I know - I'll probably favor those women who "look" a certain way over ones that I know are excellent providers!

I went with Dutch Mandy from Tromp a few times, she is a 10 to me, actually a 10+

I do believe its a case that us men are just far too picky at times. I mean even if we dated out perfect woman in the looks department, it wouldnt take us long to find some flaws with them and change them down to a 8 or 9.

It must really be a matter of taste, because in my oppinion more than half of the girls in Amsterdam look better than the girl (Karen Mulder) at the links.
All girls are just so incredible beautiful when then smile to me. All girls have different faces and different bodies and that is the great thing.
There is no such thing as a perfect body. A perfect body would be dull, it is the unique shape and personality of a girl that is what really attracts me,

Greenhoff, have you on my dance card but will you be a no-show like you were last time? Will Amsterman have to fill in again?

Not sure if I rate a 10, but I can do a pretty good 69 ;-)

FYI, our rating of guys doesn't go as high as 10!! A 5 (or even a 5 potential) is usually a good catch. Just kidding. Good thing for all of you that we girls apparently aren't that picky.

--CC Girl

I seem to rate as a minus 10 in looks!!!!!!!!!!

Although in the bedroom i'm way off the positive end of the scale ;-)

As I mentioned before I totally agree that there's a huge difference between giving a 10 strictly for looks and giving a 10 for an overall sexual experience. I was really just posting about looks here. And not looks in a purely sexual way but in a traditional notion of beauty kind of way. So yes, a chubby-chaser is going to find a BBW to be a 10 in the looks department. But the contemporary standards will not, and that's really what I'm focused on here.

I also fully agree that there are huge variations in taste. (And I'm not talking literally here you pervs!) One of the reasons I used models and local civilians as examples is that they partially answer the taste issue.

Some may not find Karen Mulder to be their personal idea of a 10, but the marketplace and the professionals have determined that she deserves the highest rank. I'm positing that few if any of us have found pay for play partners who could rise to the top of that evaluation system.

The example regarding the local women (and I agree they seem unusually rich in beauty) perhaps makes the point more forcefully. It can be tuned to address the issue *including* personal taste.

Try this mental experiment. Recall walking around admiring the local civilians, and think of the women you've seen who match *your personal taste* and you would score most highly. Now keep in mind you've seen the next group naked and have had sex with them so objectivity may be difficult. For the second group think of the sex workers you've been with who matched your personal taste. Did the best of the second group deserve a higher score (looks only!) than the best of the first group? If not you've not had a personal 10 (looks only!) in your commercial sex experience. At least not yet.

(And if yes, well then lucky lucky you!)

I actually work outdoors so i don't have to go to 'Dam to see fantastic looking women on the street, i see absolutely loads every day. And now the summer is here and girls are dressing nice i'm like a dog in mating season all day long!!! LOL! I also work in a culturally diverse area so i see girls of all shapes, sizes, colours, races and there truly are a lot of beautiful girls about :-)

But i must be lucky, because i have honestly paid for sex with 3 girls for definite that facially to me are the most beautiful girls i've ever seen, regardless of having had sexual intercourse with them!! 2 of those are in De Wallen, and they are the only reason i still go now!! The other is at LMP.....and i hope she doesn't leave any time soon because she is not replacable for those very reasons ;-)

There have been many other lovelies along the way!! I will never forget a girl i saw in De Wallen back in around 2001!! I think she was on Dolleb though i didn't know all the road names then. She said she was Ukranian and had absolute Barbie doll looks!! She looked way too good to be true and stood out so much from the rest!! Had a fantastic session too, she was so good she made me cum more than any other girl ever has. We were both amazed at how much i'd filled the condom!! LOL!!

I would give a girl a 10 for her looks if she looks beautiful and sexy. A top model does not have not be either beautiful or sexy. In fact the last thing that a model agency wants are sexy girls becase they want their customers to think about clothes and style and not sex. If the model is beautiful then she gets all the attention and that is not what models are for. A good model should look plain, but make the clothes look great.

Certainly most model are pretty girls, but I do not think that most top models would have made any bigger succes in the RLD if they would have chosen that profession instead. Check out for example the difference between top models and top pornstars.

I think you're wrong about what industry looks for in a model. First, there is pretty solid evidence that we are hard wired (or something very close to it) to look at faces first and often. Also, given a choice, we will spend more time looking at a pretty face than otherwise.

The media problem fashion houses face isn't the competition between the dress and the model wearing it. It's between their ad and everything else...other ads, other covers, the TV across the room, the countryside outside the commuter train window...etc. They want a face that will win eyeballs first, and from there the clothes and branding will be noticed.

Also I don't think they want women who aren't sexy...some ads call for that. What they don't want is a model who can *only* be sexy. An agency wants a model that can be sexy, silly, athletic, rock & roll, posh, funky, etc etc.

The top porn stars make much less money than the top models, and models enjoy a privileged social status as opposed to the scarlet letter porn stars are still stuck with so far as mainstream society is concerned. Modeling agencies get the pick of the litter because given the choice the vast majority of women would rather be models than porn starts. Porn starlets are, mostly, the leftover women who can't cut it as models, straight actors, game show hostesses, etc.

Neurosynth, my point was just that models are hired mainly to attract women to the clothes they are wearing and that RLD-girl want to attract men to their body. So a top model might not always get a 10 from punters, and a very beautiful girl with big tits could never become a top model.
However, I feel like this conversation is going off the topic of this board...

Some guy here says Karen Mulder is only a "5" on his scale??? LOL Your scale is broken dude, time to get a new one. Karen is one of the most beautiful women the world has ever seen. Absolute knockout.

I agree with neuro that you see an incredible amount of model beauties on the streets of Manhattan. You tend to see many of these tall beauties walking around in AMS too. Dutch some women are incredible. My neck was turning constantly while there this past February. I'd often think, "If only SHE was working in the RLD. I wouldn't have to come up with some clever line, just ask her how much." :)

Ah Sphinx...

Yessss. Shrooms definitely turn up the gain on my beauty-detector too.
Women can look so beautiful it's a physical sensation.

My first encounter with Romanian Carmen in YinYang was boosted by
the shrooms, and I spent most of the session marvelling at how gorgeous she was,
a true feast for my shroom-enhanced vision.

I'm sure she's pretty goodlooking normally, but the shrooms did the whole hair-
makeup-lighting-photoshop model photoshoot thing for me in absolute 3D Hi-Def.

On a scale of 1-10 the shrooms sent her past 2000 before I overloaded and
my fuse blew and I had to give her 50 euros.

Are there 10's in Amsterdam , i think so they are

1/ Sarah from Italy , sadly retired but a 10 in my book , never has a bad session in fact i rate her 11/10

2/ Kiki from Cambodia , just payed here a visit again last night multiple positions , hand job with no condom . kissing , a definite 10/10

"Some guy here says Karen Mulder is only a "5" on his scale??? LOL Your scale is broken dude, time to get a new one. Karen is one of the most beautiful women the world has ever seen. Absolute knockout."

Hi Spanky, yeah, Amsterman said that Karen Mulder was more like a 5 than a 10 to him.....I'd probably say a 6.5 maybe 7 to me.....but, I can assure you his scale isn't broken.....I've met a number of the girls that he's visited in LMP's and he's pointed out most of the girls he's been with in De Wallen (well, those still working). It is all personal taste at the end of the day.

I can certainly say I've been with at least 2 girls that I'd rate as a 10 in Amsterdam, one at LMP's (plus a 9 or 9.5 girl), then in real life probably 2 that I'd rate as a 10.

At the end of the day you can find 10/10 stunners in all walks of life, whether it's De Wallen, the Catwalk, high-street shopping, at your local convenience store, work, etc...

Peace

Great post, MagooToo! Nothing like a shroom-enhanced session with a total knockout...I'm looking forward to re-experiencing that next month, even if I have to settle for Philly Stones! I'm sitting at my desk with a stupid grin on my face just thinking about it!