Since I'm asking on advice for what establishments to visit in Berlin or Brussels, I thought I would give something back this morning by writing about mongering best practice in my home city of London. However, the last time I started writing this thread, I gave up as it quickly drifted off into several paragraphs about Soho walk ups and other parts of the surface sex industry in London (Asian massage parlours, brothels—confusingly also called massage parlours, strip joints etc etc), all of which is great if you're a tourist looking for local colour, but useless if you want a discrete bit of indoor action somewhere, which is how the vast majority of working girls operate in the UK's capital these days.

Since in London the action is not really in a formal RLD or even formal licensed brothels per say, but much more about independents working from domestic flats and residents (i.e. no handy signs to most places like there are in Germany or Amsterdam say), I thought a much better idea would be to lay out a guide for how a typical tourist with a smattering of English or Google translate can navigate the treacherous waters of London to lighten his bank account with a pleasant female entrepreneur or two (rather than recommending a specific girl or establishment).

The first thing to know about London is that an hour's incall with a typical attractive young lady in her 20s will set you back at least £150. That's not to say there aren't cheaper deals out there etc, but £150 is a good baseline to judge against whether or you are being ripped off or not. Generally prices will be higher in the centre part of the city (where rents are highest), and cheaper out towards the edges. London has an excellent public transport system and its easy to get around by bus, metro or underground, so if you've got the time to travel, I'd recommend chasing down some ladies who don't work in the city's centre. Be prepared to put an hour or so into your travels in this case though!

Generally if you are new to London, what I recommend is pulling up a map of the city's 32 boroughs, figuring out the location of your hotel, then going to the website Adultwork and doing a search by borough. This will quickly allow you to filter working girls by proximity to your hotel (i.e. who is working in your local borough, and which of them do outcalls if you are looking for a hotel visit) or a specific underground station if there is a specific area of London you will be visiting. AW also allows you to check women out by price, nationality, type of service etc etc. It is not 100% reliable, but a good starting point for visitors as it is the most commonly used platform by sex workers (it even contains profiles for some brothels, massage parlours etc). The website's search function is a bit useless, so sometimes it can be worth using Google to look for a specific thing and adding "Adultwork" into the search query.

The next step if you are booking a girl is to check her feedback (assuming your English is good enough); Adultwork's system is nearly useless, but it can be good to see if she's got any, if her profile is verified on the website or not, and if she let's punters check her AW feedback. An even better step is to go to the websites UK Punting or UK Punternet and check for reviews. There's also a UK Punting Wiki (just Google that phrase or search for it on UK Punting and it appears very easily) that will have lots of helpful information about the girls, lists of adult businesses and sex party groups, etc etc. Be aware that the two websites in question are cesspits of trolls and drama, so (if you do register to search for working girls' reviews) enjoy the postings but DO NOT ENGAGE. These aren't friendly places like this website where you can ask for advice without getting your head bitten off.

Checking for feedback and filtering working girls via Adultwork for things like age or service (do they do CIM for example?) is the London equivalent of touring the RLD, finding a girl you like the look of, and then making sure she agrees to all the sex acts you're interested in before stepping through the door. Unlike Amsterdam there's no public way of judging if you're attracted to a woman before you arrive at her door, and no way to bargain over what services you want once you're on the front doorstep of her apartment or house. Screening and pre-texting beforehand has therefore evolved as a way of warning punters which ladies and places are known for rip-offs and poor service. Be aware that if you're dealing with Eastern European or Asian establishments that it could still be a lottery however lol.

London has a great variety of different nationalities working in it, and some of the girls are even British (though less than would be the case in your typical market town). If you're a native English language speaker I usually recommend picking a Brit over other nationalities if you are new in London, as this will reduce the difficult of securing directions (usually done via text message or WhatsApp after an initial contact via Adultwork) once you've arrived in the lady's general area. EE's tend to offer the lowest prices, and while I've had some cracking shags from EE girls, the high-volume low-price model also tends to leave WGs bored and mechanical. I usually prefer a genuine independent who sees fewer customers to maximise the bang for my buck.

Good luck fellow mongerers, and enjoy your next trip to the UK's fine capital city.

Hi

I live just outside of London.
I have used Adultwork/Punternet sites
for finding girls.
If your looking for a holiday to find girls
I certainly wouldn't recommend London.
There is good action to have but it's hard
to find.
Be careful with feedback on adult work as they
can buy feedback for as little as 10p.
Escort agencies very hitnmiss rarely the get
that turns up matches the picture's.

I wish London would look at the rest of Europe and
have some legal buildings for the girls.

Hi ams2008dam, no I'm not mongering on holiday in London, I live here. This is a guide to help people from outside London who are visiting. I'm planning on doing a Berlin-Amsterdam-Brussels holiday in July. I'd be happy to hear any suggestions for places to visit in Berlin or Brussels?

I love London for t-girl establishments. Also for the strip bars which are now not as many. But some of the ones remaining I enjoy visiting. A pretty much perfect day in London is a few pints in the Griffin, then a quick saunter down the road to Sweet Wednesdays. Have visited Soho and some call card ladies and shemales a long time ago.

These days I'm a bit of a changed man & only go to swinger clubs in Germany in terms of looking for a woman. Always have w look around rlds in Germany but it just isn't me any more.

Insee you have a plan lined up. For me if I could choose 3 rlds for a euro rld tour it would be the following. Den Haag - Hannover - Bochum.

Den Haag coz it has two rlds. One of which is full of Latinas.. it also has a seaside resort and a swinger type place in Rotterdam. However, this is now all in the past for me. But love the city and the experiences I had.

Hannover - has 3 rlds. The main one is a big one. Braunstraße has two houses. One with some lovely Latinas and a few locals.

Bochum - excellent rld. Compact city. 2 swinger clubs normally like. Especially one. Close to.dortmund to check out their swinger club too. Yet to be done.

Hi splodge, thanks for the tips. I've had good times at various sex establishments in London, mainly Asian massage parlours but also a very nice shag with a 21 y.o. Romanian girl at a Soho walk-up a few years ago. It was probably the closest experience I had to a window girl in London; however these types of businesses are mentioned quite frequently here and a quick search on the site brings up better threads than mine for information on how to find them etc. These web tips are more your average tourist or lonesome guy flying in on a business trip, who has a couple of free nights and no particular agenda ;p

The RLD tour idea sounds wonderful; unfortunately my last trip to Amsterdam in October was a little spoilt for me because I'd told no-one I was going (for obvious reasons I don't generally share that I'm a mongerer with friends and family) and as a result I had to spend the four days I was there dodging phone calls and handling work issues from a smartphone. I picked Berlin and Brussels because I have reasons to be in both cities and it gives me an excuse to stop off for a day or two in Amsterdam before getting to Brussels (assuming that quarantine has been lifted by this point). Sadly fear of exposure is the price you pay for living the lifestyle of a mongerer in this uptight day and age.

I'm curious why you still go to swinger's clubs but don't monger; personally I've always found swinging to be a bit frustrating as a single guy, as it is difficult to get a woman who isn't a professional to join me, and if she's a pro why bother lol? Do you just enjoy the scene?

The prostitute thing stopped for me for various reasons. Still have a look, and have been tempted by many but just can't seem to do it any more. Have slept with lots over the years. But it seems to of gone for me. Prefer the real deal and swing clubs are my preferred option. However, if I do see a nice working lady I will probably go for it. Have been lucky to of have some dry special providers over the years. Swing clubs just seem more fun.

Adult Work (AW) can be useful but can be misleading and fake at the best of times. You will find some girls with good, honest feedback and who have been on the site for years. Others, especially EE and in particular, Romanian, tend to change their profiles and names very often and often close their profile and set up a new one, often with hidden feedbacks which set the alarm bells ringing.

You can apply many filters to your search which is useful, by age, location, incall/outcall, price, etc. I have a thing for Brazilian women but I have noticed that many of the 'Brazilians' are indeed Romanian, posing as a Brazilian! The selection is plentiful, wide and varied.

A question though, you can apply a filter which is allows you to view some of the girls' verification photos...why do so many appear as they are on crack, sleep deprived, ill or worse? If you are going to submit a verification photo to be viewed, why not do so with one which enhances your look?

Hahaha, both good points. I like that you can exclude people who hide their feedback from the main search results, but yeah, one of the first things I do is check an AW profile's age. Usually if it is more than a year old you are dealing with a professional. The ones to watch out for are the sexy young things with no feedback and a profile that is two weeks old, a dead giveaway that the photos are fake etc.

Fake nationalities are also a thing, many is the time I've booked a Brit and arrived to find she has somehow become Hungarian. The major thing you can do to protect yourself is cross-reference an AW profile with UK Punting's reviews, but even that has its limits. The photos thing I put down to dingy lighting in cramped flats on sink estates, and cheap mobile phone cameras.

AW can be good, and even some cheaper deals on the outskirts as long as they have genuinely good feedback, but I'd agree with your baseline price.

I know you mentioned other options, I'd give my 2 cents on the below.

Soho Walk-ups are decent for a cheap hit or miss (tho I can vouch for Soho Scarlett and the one beside the Jazz Bar on Greek St.)

Massage Parlours - Fantasia 106 Charing Cross Road (right next to Soho). Guaranteed prices and the massage has always been alright. £45 1 hour massage, £20 HJ and £40 HJ with the girl fully nude (some do body to body and some don't). It is on a crazy busy road tho so it's not for the faint hearted. The receptionist tells you to come and complain if the girl asks you for more, but to be on the safe side just say 'yes' if they ask if you've been there before.

Rio's Spa - Kentish Town - nudist spa (100% nude on Mon, Tues and Wed nights and couples only on Saturday nights). On non Saturday nights, you might get lucky but don't expect it. If you take a WG who allows spa visits and is up for swinging off AW on Saturday swinger nights you can almost guarantee you will have multiple girls during the night. Not sure if it's opened back up yet tho...

Swinger clubs can be frustrating for sure. And sometimes no-one turns up, or they lock the door behind them. But surprisingly, I have managed to pull in these clubs thankfully, and hopefully more to come unless I meet someone in real life. Which is the preferred option. One big difference for me is that the women in the swing clubs actually want to have sex. Although I've been with many good providers, and most likely will again at some point, i've also had poor performers and women who clearly do not enjoy their job. Over the years i've tired of it but have many happy memories for sure.

Yes. I do enjoy the swinging scene. Loads of naked, or near naked women, t-girls also sometimes, a bar, friendly people and sex going on everywhere when it's a good night or day. I plan to explore more and visit a few clubs many more times. Have had sex with women who are stunning and met some great people too.

If I do visit a lady in an rld again, I'll need to have a super full sack and she'll need to be one of my types. Fat ass, or a milf, or a blonde, or a Latino, just something that I can't resist. A fantasy woman.

First chance i get im going to find a big pair of tits and abuse them for half hour.

Looks like no travel fkr me this year not at the moment anyway.
Just to risky.

Lol. Just trying to explain to Grassleaf, as he asked a few questions. For me, it's complicated. If I find love; i'll take it. If not, then I'll carry on as I am, but it's a second choice for me. Not really the place for wishy washy stuff I guess. The swing clubs will do for now.

Never found a good knocking shop in London (have sampled many happy ending places mind, though not settled on any in particular). Any recommendations for a good old fashioned brothel? London never seemed to have any of those for some reason.

I was always curious if bringing a WG made any difference to swinging. I've been a time or two but obviously as a fugly single male stranger one finds oneself on the outside looking in more often than not. I'd decided it was better to stick with P4P a few years ago.

If you bring a WG to a swingers night then I'd probably say pick one who does this, or seems confident doing it. Also, one which doesn't seem like you've hired her/is a non wg is probably a good shout too if you want to be open to more swapping.

Don't know much about brothels apart from the Soho Walk Ups. I guess there aren't many because those are the things that are technically illegal?

Thanks for the post OP.

I live in London too.

The comments about UK Punting and Adultwork are pretty much spot on.

UK Punting is full of arrogant weapons grade bellends.

London is an overpriced shithole imo, hence why I hardly punt in London. And also the fact, that it's a very "small" city and you have a big chance to get caught by family/friends, got to have a burner phone, search adultwork, check for reviews, find the bloody residential address, girl might not be as advertised etc and on top of that price is around £100!!!!....anything cheaper is a gamble....actually even the escort agencies who advertise at £250 per hour can be hit and miss, based on some of the reviews on uk punting.

For massages at the oriental places, it's about £30 for 30mins and an extra £20 for a quick hj.

And I like to smoke a bit of weed before action and not always convenient to find some privacy or a quiet road.

I don't understand why can't London have an RLD like dam or FKKs like Germany or brothels like Pascha in Cologne or sex clubs like ShowPark in Prague.

London is the worse place for punting imo.

Sorry for the rant.

@lilji, yeah I probably would just got with a friends-with-benefits to a swingers party to be honest, and maybe see if I couldn't bonk a pro while there; sounds strange but experience has taught me that would be the best combo for a guy of my looks and personality. The woman would quickly be swamped and I'd probably want a shag to myself, as much as I've enjoyed chatting in swinger's clubs in the hot tubs. In fact, the best time I ever had at a "party" scene sex-wise was actually pure P4P, a London based club where you'd go into the basement and drinks and fags were sold, while strippers who also shagged would dance on the floor, before finding a guy after their "extras" they could disappear off with. Alas, while fun it is also expensive and I did not repeat. I think a lot of the women were only semi-pro, but they charged premium prices lol.

Personally, for recreational sex these days I'd like to just bonk a bunch of amateur single mum semi-pro types, some for cash and some for mutual pleasure; the amount of effort required to get civvy women (even sexually liberal ones like swingers) lined up is beyond my lazy ass these days, even before the beer bug bolloxed things up. I keep meaning to get back on the swinger/looking-for-a-shag sites (like Tinder used to be before it was turned into a glorified dating app), but a wave of apathy sweeps over me every time I open a browser window to register at the thought of the amount of messaging etc it will take to convince even one woman to meet. The interesting thing for me in 2020 is how little I've missed P4P sex, as that was something I returned to with a vengeance a few years ago after my last serious relationship ended.

@Vkcs20, you're welcome, and I couldn't agree more about the characterization of the average UK Punting etc member. IDK why, but the atmosphere of both sites is just poisonous. I blocked both sites back in 2018 and have never felt the lack of them in my life. Whereas here, I've commented on and off since 2005 under various handles and never been made to feel unwelcome.

You say: "London is an overpriced shithole imo, hence why I hardly punt in London. And also the fact, that it's a very "small" city and you have a big chance to get caught by family/friends, got to have a burner phone, search adultwork, check for reviews, find the bloody residential address, girl might not be as advertised etc and on top of that price is around £100!!!!....anything cheaper is a gamble....actually even the escort agencies who advertise at £250 per hour can be hit and miss, based on some of the reviews on uk punting."

Agreed to all of the above, its partially why I wrote the guide, as London is not easy to squeeze a decent punting experience out of without a helping hand or three. It has also gotten steadily more expensive to punt since I got here 7 or so years ago; the problem, as lilji says above, is that the knocking shops and RLDs you get elsewhere are illegal here in England (except for Leeds, which as a red light tolerance zone for streetwalkers, but that is a rough scene). Obviously, different parts of the country now have different laws, (Scotland etc is a bit different) so this is not true everywhere. But in London only one woman is allowed to work in a flat and the rent is just criminal. So, high prices and high turnover (which encourages shoddy service and rip offs) is the norm. The British in general are pretty hypocritical about sex though, as has long been remarked, and we don't have the courage of our convictions to either ban or legalise the sex trade, resulting in a horrific mishmash of a situation.

RE: weed, I've smoked with several girls (who are alas no longer working) down the years. If a girl says she is party friendly or a party girl on Adultwork, just ask her if she's fine with you smoking weed. Personally I love smoking dope, but it has to be afterwards as it sometimes gets in the way of my getting off if I do it beforehand. Nothing better than a toke after a good blowjob though!

I saw a tv program on the Leeds "rld". Proper dodgy and definitely not attractive at all. Anyone that ventures over there must be really desperate! LOL

The sex industry in other countries is so much better! I mean a place like show park in Prague, looks like a night club (clean, commercial and great atmosphere). Whereas in London, you'd feel like a weird pervert for walking down soho in one of those dodgy dirty flats.

I think the plan in the UK is basically to shame men into celibacy if they can't get laid IRL. In more macho/patriarchal parts of the world (East Asia, Latin America, southern Europe) historically paying for sex at least sometimes has long been pretty normal for many men (though that may change as the feminazis sink their claws in deeper to those countries) and the women there know damn well the $$$ value that their pussy has. I'll take that or even the more German/Dutch attitude every time (they aren't particularly thrilled by the sex industry, but accept it as part of life and set aside space for it).

Over here in the UK the response is not to ban it (which is pointless, but at least shows you have the courage of your convictions), but to make the experience as grubby, clandestine, marginalized and shameful as possible for the punters, and force it underground. There has been a lot of effort to reclaim the identities of SPs from traditional shame-based religious dogma in many western countries like the UK. Too often this has been followed by attempts to attack their customers though (totally illogical, but there you are, men don't often attract much sympathy in today's world).

The UK government can't to ban prostitution outright as that would undermine the large number of women who make their living in the sex industry in some form or another (and upset lots of sex worker supporters in the Establishment, who identify as sex-positive feminists). I predict we will get the Swedish model (despite the fact that sex workers hate it) soon or later in this country, as that will let our middle class moralizers and their pet politicians attack the evil punters while making sympathetic noises to the SPs. We are too puritanical to ever have a rational sex industry policy in this country like Germany, the Czech Republic or Holland unfortunately.

To add to the UK argument, governments win elections by winning middle England. Middle England may go to church less, but their 'values' are still guided by those anti sex teachings.

Even in Scotland, which is arguably more broader minded and definitely more left leaning (and left wing politics tends to be more open to 'sex work is work') the woman's officer of the SNP got slated heavily in the press for publicly meeting a BDSM Mistress (note. She doesn't even have sex with the clients or do happy endings of any sort) to discuss how to make that industry more acceptable and safe.



On the London note. I think I might have found a decent compromise. I got a massage for £25 but refused the Happy Ending. 99% of the time they will try and get you excited towards to end so you really want to go for it. I then popped across the road and got a BJ from the Soho Walk Ups for £20 + £2 tip for the maid.

So a half hour massage which left me horny as fuck followed by a decent 10 min BJ for £47 all in.

I know it's not ideal, but it might be the best combination for me.