Hi Everyone!

I am going to be a first time visitor to the RLD in july of this year and i have read through all your FAQ's about approaching women but i just want some more tips etc .

So basically i find a window and approach it...does the woman automatically meet you at the door or do you need to knock/enter?

then is it just simply a case of asking her how much or do i need to say exactly what i want and let her tell me the price?!...sorry to sound dumb but i just wanna do it as smooth as possible first time!!....

once i get told 50euros for suck and fuck for example do i then tell her what i want to do position wise (do they normally ask for more if you wanna do more than standard mish position?)....or is it worth just saying( after finding out its 50 for suck and fuck) "i want 15 minute suck and fuck naked 2 positions..." and then go in?..

sorry to sound this dumb but i want it to go as flawlessly as possible when i approach my first window ever!!!

any tips are greatly appreciated

thanks!!!

Hi,

It is your right to ask these kind of questions.I did not ask anyone before going to RLD
and I was not aware of this site so in my first experience a girl cheated on me.Make
sure that you asked everything in your head.It is not weird to ask How much?For 15 minutes
EUR50 is standard but in Singel you can find cheaper.Ask what is included and will she be naked or not,can I choose the position etc. .Do not enter the room unless you made the deal.
Girls are good players.I told a nice girl in RLD what happened to me in my first and she told ''Don't believe the window girls.They are better actress than Julia Roberts.''

superb! thanks a lot for helping me out!

so as long as i do the deal and sort out waht i want / am getting then enter the room!

no problem!

Most girls are ok but when you go into a kamer she can change her mind and you dont get what you asked for and then you get asked for extra euros best say you have dont have anymore get there name before you go in and if you get bad service tell her on way out she will be in the device as a bad shag.

Hi gmr2006!

It might be a bit weird to negotiate for sex but always keep in mind that's not making love but just a kind of service she is payed for by you. So, I will always be as sure as possible that the girl is not playing tricks on me. So, I always aks if she is completely naked and I may touch and kiss her body because this is what makes me going. Just a mechanical hand or blow job doesn't work for me...
However, the most important thing is to trust a girl - I don't mean this in the sense of a relation ship but in sense of a contract partner. I mean she can tell you everything at the door but does not do anything of that inside the room. Then you are in a bad position to claim your money back. I wouldn't even try! So, negotiating at the door has also another reason than fixing a deal: Well, try to observe how the girl reacts when you try to chat with her at the door. Mostly, I don't ask how much is it in the first sentence but I ask the girl what's your name or where do you coming from and so on. If she passes this test I come to the financial aspects... Well, it is a kind of service, of course, but if a girl likes you it is much more likely that she provides you a passionate session. So, always treat them well, be polite, say kind words or at least thank you than you will also enjoy your time.
Penopel

excellent, i see where your coming from!

all this info is much appreciated guys, thanks a lot.

im one of these people that loves talking to girls anyway so the initial talk will be the easy part for me...few moments of innocent conversation then onto business!

i now feel nice and confident in the business part of it all now thanks to this forum!...as long as i lay down what im paying for and waht i want before i go in i should be fine?...is it normal practice to barter as such with them, say for instance if a suck and fuck partially naked no touching is offered for 50euros is it then acceptable for me to say "well i was looking for it naked with touching and 2 positions for 50" and if so do i do this outside or inside usually?...and in this scenario am i looking to pay more?...do most girls allow you multiple positions naked as standard or is it purely clothed, suck and fuck missionary as standard?...last thing i want is a basic suck and fuck with one position!

I guess what you mean is the more ground work i do with the girl i.e conversation and compliments etc...the more likely i am to get more for my 50 euros?

You should check this recent thread...

http://www.ignatzmice.com/WWWBoard/PHPB ... highlight=

gmr2006:

Well, don't expect too much for your 50 bucks. Girls that offer superb service for 50 € are rare, however they exist but difficult to find. For 50€ I would expect a fully naked girl that I may touch everywhere. Deep fingering or licking her pussy mostly costs extra or isn't allowed at all. The blow job and fuck are obligatory. This ususally means 15-20 minutes fun. Be aware of the painful fact that this time flies by very quickly. So, some touching, blowing and one position and you have to cum. This might end up in a rush... Thus, I choose only a few girls and expect to pay them 100€ for half an hour up to 40 minutes. That's much more comfortable. When beginning the session, I give them 50 and tell them, well girl it's up to you, if I enjoy our session I will pay you another 50 later on and go for half an hour. This usually works - of course, they get the other 50 either after 20 minutes or at the end. In case, they have silly restrictions or are not what I have expected, I leave after the first unit. You shouldn't give them all the money in the beginning!
So, I wish you a good fun. Just make up your mind but don't think too much of negotiating, if you find a nice girl she will make you feel comfortable and tries to please you.

P.

For your 1st time you should stay away from thr main RLD and try on of the other ones the locals use, much better service and not as much chance for a rip-off, as they make there living off repeat customers. You can also try the Prive houses, they are well worth the bang for the buck. Good luck on your adventure, I cant go until Nov., so I am jealous.

Hey Texas,

Can you recommend any prives? Andof course the locals always know the best places to go, so if you know the names and or whereabouts of any girls popular with the locals I'd love to hear.

Cheers ears.

hi

I used to give some tip if I take a prostitute - it does not matter if this is in the red light area, if she will be escort or if it will be an "whore-house" (no idea if there is a better english word for ...).

that is something what the ladys does not expecte so the most time the service will be better as standart. normaly I give a little tip before the action started and, if she was nice and great (and if I want to join her again ...) I give some after the action - that makes the negotiation the next time much easier ... ;-)

but the so called "magic formular" is: be nice, handle her as a lady (never disrespect her!!) and try not be drunken and get washed before, then you will (normaly) get what you have agreed with her (and some extras are much easier to get cheap or for free (like kissing, touching ...)

Hey Rainbow, I did a pretty good post on 3/8/04 ( page 188 right now ). What I recommend is getting the names and address of the places, then mark them on mapquest or get your own map at Barnes and Noble. When you get there, go to the train station, ( white building across from station ), get the map and transpose them on your map. They are all easy to get to after you get off the tram, within 2 blocks. I also called ahead and asked how many girls etc. I did leave several places, and was never looked down on, just said I would try back later. I think I pretty much tried them all, but I am sure most of the girls have changed. I have been to Amsterdam around 15 times, and to try to give you an example, one trip Park118 is the best, next it is the worst...sorry I wish I had a better answer for you. I also tried some places in the Hauge, more expensive, but better line up, and its about a 30 minute train ride...good luck, I cant make it over until the Fall, so let me know what you find.

I always got a kick out of watching as folks go up to the girls at the windows and ask how much then try to negotiate for cheaper. It is amusing watching drunks from the UK in groups, no offense to you folks, I mean it good natured and enjoy the scene. For me I only ask how much when I want to chat or get a quick feel for them outside their Kamer. If I see a girl that I want I usually just see how they look at me and if it is warming I go in. Watch out for the frowners, they are unhappy. Never ask about positions, nudity, etc. Only once (in about 45 visits) she wanted extra to take her top off. In hindsight, I was desperate that night and was tired of not being able to chose one after miles of walking. So she was just a bad choice, should have walked out or at least not given her the juice, but it was one of those things.

I just spot the finest girl available after checking them all out and when she asks if i'd like to come in I enter. Simple as that. I usually have the money for her before she asks for it and am respectful. I look at it as a huge bargain to lay a beutiful young women for 50e. I have found that their level of service superior and have no problem taking care of business in the alotted time. I have never been told that time is up if i'm still stroking her deep.

So my advice is not to worry about any of these issues. It is un necessary to negotiate, but chose the girl carefully based on how her looks and attitude affect you.

Where do we find the ' Girls the Locals use '....? any ideas.

Try cruising the RLD on a workday at lunchtime. Watch where the Dutch businessmen go.

Just to reiterate - be very sure to ask the girl if she'll do all the things that you would normally get off on. Don't hurry the "interview".

I'm just back from a weekend where I arrived a couple of hours before the rest of my party - who had no plans for any RLD action and as far as they know, neither did I!
Armed with my kamer maps and recent Device reviews ringing in my head I went a-hunting - and couldn't match anyone in the windows with what I'd read. I'm afraid I hurriedly chose a damn cute asian on the Dolleb but in my haste I fluffed the interview.
Managed to ask and make sure she would be completely naked (20 euro extra). What I didn't ask, and hadn't thought I would need to given I was paying 70 euros, was whether she did more than one position!
Unfortunately for me, she would do nothing other than Missionary and I don't dig the Mish - I struggle to finish. I really wanted doggy (as it turns me on) but stupidly hadn't asked at the outset. Ended up just banging away for what seemed ages - couldn't finish. She didn't give the impression she would give extra positions if I extended the time despite my assertion that doggy would do the trick. So I baled, unsatisfied and uncertain whether I'd just been ripped off.

AGAIN - Please don't hurry the interview and make sure she agrees she'll do what gets you off.

Hopefully I'll have better luck on my next visit...

Sorry to bring up an old thread, but I'm visting Europe in August, and our trip is mostly centered around Amsterdam, so RLD is obviously a must.

This site, the boards and the people here really have given me tons of insight and I appreciate it greatly.

I just want to make sure I understand completely what my options are. There are:

Windows
Clubs
Prives
Massages

Correct? There is extensive information here about clubs and prives, but not windows, which is why I'm a bit confused. So you just walk up to windows and if the girl looks interested and I'm interested, we negotiate and that's it? No entrance fees like clubs or prives? I just want to make sure I understand because I'm reading that clubs are 75euro or so just for entrance , and I want to make sure I walk into the right places.

One other question: We are also visiting Paris while in Europe (going to the Rock En Seine festival), how does Parisian RLD work, and what are the laws there? And what of the possibility of brining marijuana or even spacecakes from Amsterdam to Paris? Or will I find myself in a Parisian jail as a result?

Thanks everyone!

Hi poiuy,

I can answer on the Paris part of your question, since I am French and living in Paris for 10 years ...

First of all, it's not a good idea to bring marijuana or spacecake in France, France has the most repressive policy about "soft" drugs in Europe. No idea what it can happen if you get caught, small amount of drug is usually "tolerate" if it's looks like for your personal use, but it will be at least confiscated, and spending hours at the police office to check your ID in not impossible... Not a good beginning for France vacations .... Though, I cross several time the border ( by train ) and never saw any luggage search or whatever.

Second point, sorry to disappoint you, but sex scene in Paris ( and France ) is DEAD ! Nothing like the RLD of Amsterdam can be found. The "hot" place are Saint-Denis street and Pigalle neighboorhood, but it is not only ugly and dull, it is also a big trap for tourists... You can't have a fuck there, unless you go for 40-50 yo big fat ugly African street walker at St-Denis ... Some clubs are supposed to provided girls, but they just want you to buy drinks to the girl and you will be bring a 800 euros bill or something... It can be very aggressive if you don't want to pay. I just heard there is 2 places to go to see a good sex show : Théatre Chochotte and Show Girl club. That's only a show, maybe you can touch a little, no more. I never experiment myself but you can find information there :
http://www.undressedtokill.com/viewforum.php?f=22 ( and click on Paris )

My suggestion is to take what is interesting in each city : go for smoking and fuck and sex-show and having fun in Amsterdam and go to Paris to do the Da Vinci tour ! ( I can't find anything more exciting to do in Paris ! )

Have fun !

Pouiy

you are right, those are the options. However, much of the info on this site IS about windows but you might not recognise that because it is the norm so the posters don't mention it.

Yes, you walk up to the window and if you are interested you negotiate - everything - before you enter. No separate entry fee (although the way they charge for every conceivable element that's a surprise).

Have a good trip, B61

Thanks so much for answering my questions, I truly appreciate it.

What you said makes sense: when in Rome, do as Romans do.

lol. DaVinci tour... NO THANKS!!

We'll probably go to Belgium and see some sites outside of Paris as well, like Normandy. I look forward it.