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The next Amsterdam?
Posted: 2008-10-22, 12:46 am

Harvey WallenbangerSupporting Member
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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - In this live-and-let-live town, where medical marijuana clubs do business next to grocery stores and an annual fair celebrates sadomasochism, prostitutes could soon walk the streets without fear of arrest.

San Francisco would become the first major U.S. city to decriminalize prostitution if voters next month approve Proposition K—a measure that forbids local authorities from investigating, arresting or prosecuting anyone for selling sex.

The ballot question technically would not legalize prostitution since state law still prohibits it, but the measure would eliminate the power of local law enforcement officials to go after prostitutes.

Proponents say the measure will free up $11 million the police spend each year arresting prostitutes and allow them to form collectives.

"It will allow workers to organize for our rights and for our safety," said Patricia West, 22, who said she has been selling sex for about a year by placing ads on the Internet. She moved to San Francisco in May from Texas to work on Proposition K.

Even in tolerant San Francisco—where the sadomasochism fair draws thousands of tourists and a pornographic video company is housed in a former armory—the measure faces an uphill battle, with much of the political establishment opposing it.
Some form of prostitution is already legal in two states. Brothels are allowed in rural counties in Nevada. And Rhode Island permits the sale of sex behind closed doors between consulting adults, but it prohibits street prostitution and brothels.

In 2004, almost two-thirds of voters in nearby Berkeley rejected decriminalization. But proponents of Proposition K say their proposal has a better shot in San Francisco, which they believe is more sexually liberal than the city across the bay.
After all, the world's oldest profession has long been established here. During the Gold Rush, the neighborhood closest to the piers was a seedy pleasure center of sex, gambling and drinking known as the Barbary Coast.

These days, on certain corners, prostitutes sell their bodies day and night, ducking into doorways and alleys when police pass by. One recent afternoon in the Mission District, six prostitutes were plying their trade on a single block.

Police made 1,583 prostitution arrests in 2007 and expect to make a similar number this year. But the district attorney's office says most defendants are fined, placed in diversion programs or both. Fewer than 5 percent get prosecuted for solicitation, which is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail.

Proposition K has been endorsed by the local Democratic Party. But the mayor, district attorney, police department and much of the business community oppose the idea, contending it would increase street prostitution, allow pimps the run of neighborhoods and hamper the fight against sex trafficking, which would remain illegal because it involves forcing people into the sex trade.

The San Francisco Chronicle editorialized against the measure, saying it could make the city a magnet for prostitution.

If the proposal passes, "we wouldn't be able to investigate prostitution, and it's going to be pretty difficult for us to locate these folks who are victims of trafficking otherwise," said Capt. Al Pardini, head of the police department's vice unit. "It's pretty rare that we get a call that says: 'I'm a victim of human trafficking' or 'I suspect human trafficking in my neighborhood.'"

The proposition would also prohibit police from accepting federal or state funds for sex trafficking investigations that involve racial profiling. Such investigations often arise from raids on brothels that advertise as Asian massage parlors.

"We feel that repressive policies don't help trafficking victims, and that human rights-based approaches, including decriminalization, are actually more effective," said Carol Leigh, co-founder of the Bay Area Sex Workers Advocacy Network and a longtime advocate for prostitutes' rights.

But San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris said the ballot question mistakenly assumes prostitution is a victimless crime.

"The crime of prostitution does not exist by itself," Harris said. "Along with it come pimps, johns and other crimes that really impact the safety of neighborhoods."

If the measure passes, supporters say, prostitutes would not feel the need for pimps as protection. But opponents insist it would embolden pimps who trap drug addicts into prostitution by plying them with drugs.

"The proponents usually paint a fairly rosy picture of two consenting adults and a monetary exchange at the end," Pardini said. "They don't factor in the people that are being exploited and people that are being controlled, the ones manipulated both physically and chemically."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1
Re: The next Amsterdam?
Posted: 2008-10-22, 9:24 am

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Interesting reading. I have sometime read about some country where selling sex has been legal but buying it has been illegal. Would that be the case in San Francisco, or would the police also stop arresting those who are buying sex?
Re: The next Amsterdam?
Posted: 2008-10-23, 1:30 am

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Greetings HW from sunny Buenos Aires..

I'm dying here, as all I see is " brickweed " here...UGGH


Thanks for keeping us updated on the Bay Area scene ( especially me ..)


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Re: The next Amsterdam?
Posted: 2008-10-23, 2:13 am

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This is quoted from the San Francisco Chronicle:

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What it does: Would decriminalize prostitution in San Francisco, deny funds for the First Offender Prostitution Program commonly known as "john school," and forbid the city from using state or federal funds that involve racial profiling to identify human trafficking victims.

Supporters: Erotic Service Providers Union, San Francisco Democratic Party, Harvey Milk Democratic Club, La Raza Centro Legal.

Argument in support: Will improve safety for sex workers, reduce sexually transmitted diseases and save the city millions of dollars spent annually on prosecuting prostitution while still requiring enforcement of laws against sexual assault, coercion and other crimes.

Opponents: Mayor Gavin Newsom, District Attorney Kamala Harris, Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club

Argument against: Will turn San Francisco into a safe haven for sex traffickers and pimps, creating more violence and other crimes, hampering trafficking investigations and damaging quality of life in neighborhoods.


My understanding is that the city stops funding the program that goes after the punter. With the selling of sex legal, why spend police time and money harassing "johns"? There would be no crime involved from the outset...

Hey Smuler, enjoy that brickweed!

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Re: The next Amsterdam?
Posted: 2008-10-24, 2:06 am

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Where will the girls come from? Mexico?

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Re: The next Amsterdam?
Posted: 2008-10-26, 4:59 am

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As someone who has lived in the states for 40 years(born in Kent,UK) I can tell you that it will never work, not even in liberal San Fran. The U.S. does not know how to do prostitution. The girls would be way over priced , and you would have these religous nuts protesting on the street.The crime it would attract would be horrible. Better off leaving it alone.
Re: The next Amsterdam?
Posted: 2008-10-29, 7:19 am

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Most of the problems of prostitution are caused by making it illegal.

Just as prohibition made alcohol a major source of income for organized crime, so too does the prohibition against commercial sex. And just as making alcohol legal again eventually removed the criminal element, so too would legalizing commercial sex.

"Religious nuts" were also, in part, behind prohibition. Eventually they moved on. And Americans are pretty robust to free speech. Let them protest. So what?

As for price, making something illegal almost always inflates the price. Illegality restricts supply, raises costs, and imposes artificial risks. If made legal commercial sex will move into a free market context with greater supply and lower overhead and risk.

The work will also become somewhat safer for the women involved. At least they will then have the option to seek help and protection from the police and political system.

What won't change is the fact that most women who turn to prostitution do so because, frankly, something is wrong in their lives. There are exceptions, and perhaps a greater of number of exceptions under a legal system. But all too often sex workers have a background of past or current abuse, or a bad drug habit, or a disordered personality, or economic desperation. These same factors make these women vulnerable to pimps and quasi-pimps. But again, at least under a legal system they would have more options for help if they decided to seek it out.
Re: The next Amsterdam?
Posted: 2008-10-31, 4:27 am

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Thanks for the history lesson. It all sounds very logical but the reality is it will never fly in this country... Las Vegas is its own world.. $1200.00 an hour hookers. Most of them not very attractive. Legal and all mobbed up...

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Re: The next Amsterdam?
Posted: 2008-11-02, 6:33 am

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Prostitution is not legal in Las Vegas. Where it is legal the prices and practices are wildly distorted because of the surrounding massive illegality. If legalized elsewhere prostitution in Nevada will have to respond to the expanded free market and diffused demand, just as the casinos had to respond to the legalization of gambling in other parts of the country.

The only "it can never work in the USA" objection that I think is hard to respond to is the one that says the conservative wing of American culture just won't let it happen. Maybe yes, maybe no. There was a time in America when prostitution was quite wide open, and it fit the American character. I think it could again.
Re: The next Amsterdam?
Posted: 2008-11-05, 5:22 pm

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Sorry folks, the proposition did not pass. Here are the results:

Measure K

A measure decriminalizing prostitution in San Francisco, requiring the city to stop enforcing prostitution laws, and restricting resources to anti-prostitution programs.

98 percent of precincts counted. Requires majority.

Yes - 42 percent.
No - 58 percent.

Looks like Amsterdam is safe for now ;)

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The next Amsterdam?
Posted: 2008-11-05, 6:22 pm

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Thanks for the update HW

It would have been nice to have a " fall back " domestic destination

At least the weed is top quality....


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Re: The next Amsterdam?
Posted: 2008-11-07, 12:23 am

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Saw this on another board. It is an interesting view on Prop K and why it's failure may be a good thing.

http://crustylogic.blogspot.com/
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