OK, it's time I gave something to this board, the one that started it all for me in terms of cameraderie among like-minded fellows and travelling companions.

Last October, I had the pleasure to visit Hong Kong and Macau with some very good friends. Hong Kong was very interesting but for me the mongering scene in HK was crap. Prostitution is illegal in Hong Kong. Nonetheless, thousands of Phillipinas and Indosnesians flock to the city to ply their trade in the pickup bars of Wan Chai. The week we were there there was a rugby tounament so the bars were swollen with hordes of drunk pushy Aussie and other rugby fans. The music is loud and blasting, the girls hard to hear , and in short I struck out. I hear you can negotiate a price and take a girl to your hotel room but for me, this did not work. I like it served up on a silver platter. From now on, Hong Kong is merely a waystation to the sauna scene of Macau. While in Hong Kong, we did visit a knocking shop i Kowloon, where I had my first taste of an Asian soapy massage, I think it was around 500HKD for an hour and a half, but the selection was not stellar.

Macau, on the other hand, is a mongers paradise with a plethora of sauna clubs offering often massive lineups of lovely ladies from Thailand, Viet Nam, Indonesia, China, and Mongolia. Don't believe them when they say Korea, the "Koreans" are really Mongolians. Koreans are very very rare. The lineups at the classier clubs are a bit demeaning and intimidating, every half hour or so you are summoned to a special room where the girls are just paraded in, all wearing numbers and special badges that indicate their price levels. Viet and Thai girls are the chepest, followed by "plain Chinese and Mongols" with the "model" category sporting the highest tarriff, except for the Russians. Stay away from the Ruissians in Macau. I actually prefered the girl next door girls to the models, since the models often sport bolt on mammaries and are a bit haughty. For those used to the relaxed pace of socializing with the girls, maybe a little couch action, to get to know the girl.... forget it. In Macau, they bring them in, often 150 of them in Sauna 18, one of the upscale clubs, and you tell an attendant your choice or possibilities, and the attendant makes note on a PDA or pad of paper. When you choose, you are shown to a room and your choice is brought to you. Kind of cold and impersonal, but it often works out, but sometimes not. There is a video of a lineup at 18 sauna on You Tube. Google it.

One club we visited deviates from this formula. At Golden Sauna, they play a little game. As you recline on your lounger, where a never ending cadre of massage and grooming people constantly pester you to buy foot, hand, head, massages and pedicures or ear cleaing in between your sessions, and you can order snacks and small meals and drinks all during your visit and included in the price, (the same in all saunas) the girls are brought out and one girl goes to each guy, sits on him, and plays with his nipples for like 2 minutes. Then the music starts and the girls move on to the next guy in a game of tittilation musical chairs, the next girl bares her nipples for you to play with, the next parts your silk pajama top and rubs her nipples on your chest,etc. This gets you worked up and a chance to get closer to the girls. The girls at Golden also can hang out in the lounge room unlike any of the other clubs, where they are out during lineups only. Then they line up three of four at a time to a row of loungers, and you can pick. The facilities at Golden are basic compared to the more upscale saunas like 18 and Rio which have 1 acre whirlpool spas unlike the three- seater at Golden, but the girls at Golden are just as cute, just not as numerous, the first session was 888HKD and got cheaper the more sessions you did. It was here I found my sweetie of the trip, a Chinese girl dressed in a Japan Airlines uniform, who gave me bareback delights on four separate sessions.

Sessions start in the shower, where you lay on a padded chair or table and the girl washes you very thoroughly using her hands, breast, pussy,body and tongue, often including a very deep and prolonged wash of your chocolate starfish using her tongue. Some girls like to start a BJ in the shower too, others are more businesslike in the shower. Next, you move to the bed for a BBBJ, like in Germany, DFK and DATY are usually on the menus, but not always. Sex is covered, but I was offered bareback by a favorite girl. YMMV, it all depends on the chemistry. English can be non-existent, rudimentary, or fairly good, the latter usually with Mongolian girls who learn it in school.

Flirting with the non-sex massage girls and attendants can pay off, some of us got many hours of free or low cost sex in our hotel rooms from girls whose job it is to tend to your non-sexual needs in the clubs. They love western men and some night in the casinos after leaving the saunas and meeting the attendants and their friends, there were competing groups of Indonesians and Mongolians all vying for our attentions.

As for prices, it’s all a blur, you pay like 250 up to 450 pataca (around 11.3 cents to the pataca) to enter which includes use of facilities and food and drink. This entry is subtracted from the cost of your first session. Sessions in Rio and 18 sauna cost as much as 1500 pataca, I like the special at Golden for 888 pataca. Sauna 18 and Rio can get very expensive.

So I hope these few impressions of Macau will be helpful and inspiring to some. I’ll be going back in the fall.

Nice report, nice to know you are still around pepto - have missed your regular posts from several years ago.

I have not yet sampled Macau but I have heard great things about it, just as you describe. Thanks for the groundwork, hopefully I can fit a visit in within the next year or so.

From what I have heard, it is best to buy your combined sauna ticket with jetfoil ferry ticket combined in one from the ferry terminal! I hear it is cheaper this way, is this still the case?

Hi Pepto,

Nice Report. Did you try or see any freelancer action in Macau such as the stroll at the Lisboa ?
I have to laugh when I envision your tall ass standing next to some of these women who would struggle to measure 5 feet in heels. LOL. Well done sir.

Thanks guys. Yes there are myriad ferry packages which include ferry fare, club entry, one session, and one massage at the Shun Tak Center near the ferry terminal. Just about any club you want to visit has it's ferry packages.

Trip, one night we went for a beer at the all night luncheonette right in the middle of the "racetrack" in Gran Lisboa. The restaurant was the one place where the girls could relax and didn't have to keep moving. Many of the girls were incredibly hot but the word is that the service is crap and perfunctory, especially for Caucasians so we took a pass. Besides, the boys had their extracurricular sleep over dates, attendants and masseuses at saunas hooking up outside the clubs, and there was no time for "street action".

Oh the Lisboa, you mean the "fishbowl" right?

A mate of mine was briefly working in Macau. He said it was just too decadent and shallow, makes Vegas look saintly. He was doing too much coke and too much shagging.

I went there maybe 10 years ago but would love to go again, I know the big-gun vegas casino owners are all moving in there now. btw did you check out the Mong Kok scene in Kowloon? Never done it myself but heard that's where most of the paid for play action is in Hong Kong.

Where the girls strut around the Lisboa is called "the racetrack" and it is not a fishbowl. It is called the racetrack since the girls are left alone by security as long as they keep moving so you will have 20-30 girls walking back and forth on the first floor shopping area. Pretty funny but a bit sad sight though since they are walking there in 12 hour shifts. Don't expect to get their attention unless you are of Asian origin. Crap service

The fishbowl places are Darling1 and Darling2. Overpriced options compared to the saunas.

Saunas are the best option for P4P, but the pensions by the inner harbour are the cheapest one and some good young chicken can be found there.

Best option in general IMO are the nightclubs such as Lions Bar at the MGM, D2 in the AIA building, Bellini lounge at the Venetian, the bars by the waterfron etc. where you pick up girls. Have had more free sex from that option than anywhere else in the world (and I have been around). Usually no action there before midnight though and places like D2 (not to be confused with Darling2) are not really happening until around 2-3 am.

No problems getting the sauna girls join you later in your hotel, but have to be a bit discreet about it.

There are several more saunas that offer the same "mingle" service as Golden Sauna Pepto mentions. Sanado is one of them. Some of them also have the girls join you in the pool / hot tubs such as the sauna in the Waldo hotel (don't remember the name of the sauna).

oh, and the big Vegas boys are already there and been for some time. Macau casino revenue surpassed that of Vegas couple of years ago. The entertainment/show part is still missing from Macau, at least to the scale of Vegas.

The Mong Kok scene is gone.

Last year, Las Vegas Sands put a multi-billion project at Macau on hold despite spending about a billion already. They were on the brink of bankruptcy. Wynn Resort seems to be doing better financially.

You can try Fishersman Wharf if you are tired of sex and gambling scenes.

Personally I don't find Fishermans Wharf all that interesting, but that is just me. There is however one nightclub there (D3) that is worth a visit if you are young and of asian origin (don't expect to pick up there if you are middle aged westerner like me) since the clientele there is mostly young locals.

For a relaxing day out Hac sa beach is a good option (on Coloane Island). The Westin resort there is pretty nice and has a nice golf course next to it and then of course Fernandos (Portugese restaurant) which is now an institution in Macau. The beach itself about four kilometres long and not crowded and there are some beach bars as well water skis and stuff like that available for hire. I have not spent a whole lot of time at Hac Sa, but once took an Indonesian girlfriend there in the twilight into the night and it was quite nice and romantic.

The old town is ok for a stroll and has some sights, but nothing to go vow about. Macau tower is fun for a visit and you can do some climbing on top of it (I believe Fusco did so on one of our Macau visits).

Gambling in Macau is a bit different. F.ex. there are only two or three places that have craps tables in Macau (grand Lisboa, Wynn...or was it MGM and Venetian if I remember right) and although Texas holdem is slowly gaining some popularity, you have to ask around to find it. Best odds in blackjack is at Lisboa based on their split rules etc. Baccarat is the game that is most played in Macau and I have no idea how to play it so I stay away from it.

Day trip to Zuhai is also an option.

I usually spend about 5-8 days when I am in Macau and after that I usually have had enough of the place, but as soon as I get back to Europe I want to get back. IMO Macau's saunas kick German FKKs ass in so many ways. Only thing missing is outdoors area.

Just a note on HK since Pepto gave it thumbs down: I disagree and think it is a pretty good sceene, but you have to be able to appreciate the WanChai clubbin which I know Pepto does not care much for so different strokes for different folks. There is also the 141 sceene that Pepto did not check out and there is also a sauna scene although much more discreet than in Macau since it is actually illegal there to offer sex at sauna premises in HK. I always have helluva time in HK. Hard to beat Laguna on a Sunday afternoon when all the maids have their day off.

Both Wynn and Sands offer crap tables.

I skipped the Venetian as there was a long line to get in.

If you want to pick up the maids on Sunday in Hong Kong, you can find plenty of them from Indonesia and the Phillippines in Victoria Park in Causeway Bay and another park in Central District near the HSBC building. I pass on the go go bars in WanChai. Most of those girls are ugly in my book.

Freelancers can be found in Tsimshatsui especially they see that you are walking towards the Hyatt or the Renaissance Hotel. If you let them know you are staying at one of the Presidential Suites at the Intercontinental, they will beg you for a free tour. The lobby of the Holiday Inn is loaded with professionals Friday and Saturday nights. Personally, I like the bar at the Renaissance Hotel in Wan Chai with live music or piano playing plus a few not-easy-to-detect professional.

"Both Wynn and Sands offer crap tables"

Thanks for the info. I don't think I ever went into Sands. Will sure check it out next time I am there in few months.

"I skipped the Venetian as there was a long line to get in."

You must have been there right after they opened. The last few times I was in Macau there were no lines at all. The Bellini lounge is a nice place to hang out. Often they have a live band. Good mix of white as well as dark chicken meat there. If I remember right, Wednesdays are ladies nights there (ladies get couple of free drinks). Good night to visit.

"If you want to pick up the maids on Sunday in Hong Kong, you can find plenty of them from Indonesia and the Phillippines in Victoria Park in Causeway Bay and another park in Central District near the HSBC building."

You are right, very easy to pick up at Victoria park. Just look at them and smile and you are in business.

"I pass on the go go bars in WanChai. Most of those girls are ugly in my book."

It can be a bit hard to find stunners among those girls, specially if your taste is tilted towards white skinned girls. I always find some stunners in WanChai bars, but then again I like the bit more dark skinned south-east asian girls. Have picked up couple of model looking Thais there, seen some pretty stunning Mongols as well. There are also some good looking Vietnamese girls hanging out. NeptuneII is the place to find the Thais. A relatively large group of SAs (mostly Colombians) used to hang out at Fenwicks and have moved on to Traffic after Fenwicks did not get a renewal on their license (too much drug dealing and other stuff was going on there), but I found the SAs in WanChai not so hot.

I happen to like south east asian girls, specially the Indonesians. Very passionate and for my money the best in bed of the asian girls I have sampled. The free pussy comes with complcations though since with all the passion they have you also get a fair amount of jelousy and they can be hard to shake off.

Pussy is NEVER FREE!

"The free pussy comes with complcations though since with all the passion they have you also get a fair amount of jelousy and they can be hard to shake off."

I am very glad that you point out the obvious. You pay for the emotional drama as you attempt to 'divorce' them. They know your phone number and the email ........ Sounds familiar?

It was years ago when I attended my college buddy's wedding in Bern. Her Swiss wife told me, "the Thai women are the most organized group in Switzerland. They marry Swiss men, stay with them for 3 years and divorce them and take all they can get right afterwards.

A friend in high school was soooo addicted to Thai girls. He's unemployed for over 2 years, living with his parent but he still saved for two trips to Bangkok.

Most of the Thais / Philippinos / Indonesians in Hong Kong are maids and they are lowly educated. I still remembered some Tungalow (??) like "Klum-ma-das-kun" as I dated a non-pro Phillipino in Toronto as I was there for a 4-months project. For me, it's not color, it's more the body type, pretty face and intelligence / education level.

Regards,
Fred